Dan Whaley

[[2021-09-10]]

[[demo]] / [[walkthrough]]
nodes
stoa
actions
- [[go]]
- [[push]]
- [[pull]]
next features to ship
- social media import, per post
- social media import, bulk
- arbitrary repo import
- ipfs support

catch up
q: international deployment
- currently US and Canada mostly
- do provide this internationally though
- delighted to talk to schools in new areas

Greetings!
[[fedstoa]]
- [[moa]]
  - [[bmann]], [[vera]]
  - down with walled gardens :)
  - [[dan]] [[readwise]] is very interesting, talk to them. they are a small shop.
  - [[siphons]]
[[agora]]
- [[wikilinks everywhere]]
  - library approach
  - opportunity for [[hypothes.is]], [[memex]], [[promnesia]], [[agora]] collaboration likely
  - [[karlicoss]]
[[roaman agora]]

[[readwise]] [[notion]] [[roam]]
- There seem to be many pipelines involving these and [[hypothes.is]]
[[2021]] [[goals]]
- [[integration]] [[mvp]]
  - Assemble a ‘small team’ of interested open source devs or keep it in a small group?
  - Dan: probably use one of the following strategies
    - [[bat signal]]
    - known devs
    - upwork
- See paper notebook.

22 people now in the company!
Raising money
[[Skunk works]]
Youtube annotator
- [[docdrop]]
- What about integrating this into the [[agora]]?
[[athens]] story
- joined the beta
- great for single-user use cases
- but doesn’t go after collaboration, publishing, web
[[fedwiki]] seems to be the closest thing to the agora
- check out the wednesday calls
[[react]] (a module) could be another frontend to the agora
- [[review]] [[preact]] is the new kind
would love to experiment to [[hypothes.is]]
- [[hypagora]]: a fork/branch
[[underlay]]
- seemed like it was more about structured representation
- agora is more like [[folksonomy]]

Journey to understand the broad frame.
- There is a movement in humanity towards networked thinking.
- The book -> the telephone -> the web.
- What’s next? There’s another step coming. The beginning of truly coordinated semantic thinking.
- Dan believes that the note taking paradigm with wiki links is a key part of this journey but it needs an ingredient.
  - Standards.
  - Open coordination.
  - Federation.
- Annotation is the edge. An event horizon.
  - The ability to coordinate between clients that live at the edge is key.
  - Does not yet have the power of the wiki link.
- Notion/Roam are not yet unlocking the full human potential.
  - Dan is on a journey to find what are the essential components.
- Open questions: groups, groups permissions.
- Hypothesis gets tweeted at by people who are using their tools in new ways.
John Gilmore.
- Local cyberpunk guy, founder of Sun Microsystems.
- Lots of different annotation services; how do you know which annotation services have annotations with a page?
- Similar problem to go link authorities.
- DHT.
Del.ic.ious.

Some people think that the fact that backlinks were absent in the original web was part of what let it grow.

A discrete component.
Glorified markdown editors.
Hypothes.is -> readwise -> Roam
- Hypothes.is as a SGK client
- Standards compliant wiki service

Dan agrees that most of the activity is socially beneficial.
People still think of these networks as being apart from themselves. But the network is the organism.

Tagging.
- [[Everything2]].com.
Open source versions of projects.
- Athens.
- Truly networked paradigm?
Loose coupling / loose integration.
My view: personal gardens are what get a critical mass. It needs to be independent.

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