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Dej

[[2021-06-19]]

[[2021-06-05]]

[[2021-05-22]]

[[2021-04-24]]

  • [[jonathan]] busy, lots to read for the masters
    • now in the gallery scene ;)
  • [[armengol]] also busy, probably need a break
    • [[workaholic mode]]
    • sometimes feels like he’s "lost the ability to have fun"
    • [[2h30m]] away from [[barcelona]]
    • when he goes he ends up meetings lots of people in a cluster/sequence
    • (reminded me of my visits to buenos aires)
    • when you’re working too much, it’s easy to become less efficience/diverge
    • exploratory mode?
  • [[topics]]
    • [[jonathan]] is there a simple way to get a git repository of markdown notes?
      • [[flancian]] [[kaleido]] is looking nice!
      • [[reading alexander]] repository could be an experiment
        • [[two modes]] at least:
          • conversation mode
          • [[do]]
        • nice thing about [[etherpad]] in an activity yesterday is that it can be ephemeral; it can be unstructured; it can have structure
    • ui / ux experiments
    • [[roadmap]]
    • [[push]] [[do]]
      • incorporate reading alexander into the agora
    • [[armengol]] how did you manage taking notes for [[reading alexander]]?
      • [[jonathan]] mostly on paper; tried transferring later but couldn’t make the time

[[2021-04-03]]

[[2021-03-06]]

  • [[meeting points]]
  • [[big blue button]]
  • [[beeper]]
    • could be a [[coop]]?
    • jailbroken iphones: a joke?
  • [[ghost]] publishing, some of the profits
  • [[foam]]
  • [[ctzn]] is broken
  • [[agora]] governance
    • users control it by coding nodes however they can
    • users control it by proposing changes to its contract
    • users control it by forking and merging agoras
      • it should be one command essentially
    • [[jonathan]]
      • difference in skill between users means difference in power
      • power is held by people who host?
        • yes, I agree. reducing this power, making it easy to host, is a priority.
    • two [[threads]]:
      • what is stimulating from this vision
      • reflecting on the dangers
  • how did the presentation for the masters go?!
    • a lot of the discussion that happened with the jury, in particular a philosopher, was centered around
    • "this project seems like it’s situated in [[social design]] and it’s important to read works in this space, concerning in particular to risks"
    • western / colonial gestures / white saviour complex
  • [[armengol]] the problem of getting things into [[shareable]] state
  • [[push]] [[armengol principles]] based on our relationship with information in a digital context
  • [[push]] [[armengol rules]]
    • we are used to working with markdown. it functions as a common space; it is not just the file, but the associated systems to deal with the files and link them.
    • what if we have a place where we can work together on these files.
    • if we override the words of others, this is invasive. but if we don’t agree on a shared context, communication cannot happen.
    • [[aside]] [[m prime]]
    •
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    Meetings

    • [[2021-05-22]]

      • still want to write NoTSoF

        • make for a pattern language FIRST

      • intention to merge our notes once we’ve made them

      • for reading group on wednesday wanted to choose patterns

        • use repository

      • TO Dos

        • summary of introduction of Pattern Language
        • start brainstorming list for glossary of terms fo NoTSoF (or more general [[Christopher Alexander]]), write these into the [[Agora]]

      • them telling me some things from their last conversation

        • regarding information and context
          • how to understand what others understand, as regards context
          • how to see if we are on the same page
          • sometimes one spends a lot of time of doing things, but one doesn’t realize one is not using the same concepts/ideas for a given term
          • how to determine a minimum set of concepts/tools to check understanding -> a "conceptual context"
          • what can a "minimum denominator" be in understanding that can be a common ground / context
          • how to deal with context question
            • including passing a text, passing materials to share one’s own context
            • procedures to assemble a context
            • procedures to check if we have the same context
              • e.g. in the agora, pooling materials around a node

      • building bridges between conventions rather than

      • the exercise we are doing is about assembling different points of view on a single given topic

    • [[2021-04-24]]

      • Topic one: moving/experimenting towards a shared digital garden?

        • D: there are two things to distinguish

          • shared garden for sharing notes
          • discussion/threading/chat space

        • J: let’s focus on the shared notes thing first

      Links

    • [[2021-04-03]]

    • [[2021-06-03]]

    • [[2021-02-14]]

      • How we relate to [[information]]
      • Thought connection to [[Christopher Alexander]]: systems that allow open-ended organic evolution
      • ample — seperation/distinction between [[modeling]] and [[coding]]
        • how to get people to communicate what they need
      • m prime
      • protopian themes will always lead to the word "good"

        • thinking of it as a "free variable"

        • ethics as fundmental thing to consider

          • always need to incorporate when we think/speak about how a system "should be"
          • lyotard

        • Daniel’s (short-) story:

          • an overall theme to place here at the start: the back and forth interplay between technology and society
          • a short choronology
            • began studying mulimedia engineering, was attracted to playing with tech
            • first study program was a mix of computer science and design, but felt like a frankenstein program
            • he moved to a design university to continue his study path
              • electronic art and digital design
            • got involved in touch-pad table project
            • this lead to being part of starting an UX design studio
            • in context of various projects became more interested the way people were interacting with digital projects/objects rather than on the content of those projects/objects
            • moved more into art
            • art was inspiring him and wanted to also inspire others
            • developed his own form of artistic practice
            • stopped working for brands
            • moved to the woods with a friend (call them X); X has more tech skill than D
            • together they started prototyping
              • D more on the research part
              • X on the tech part
            • D did a bootcamp to learn more of the tech tools
            • bounced back though to thinking more about the tools / human / interaction (??) side
            • trying to find balance

        • D: comment about how

          • artists "can do whatever they want"
            • society "accepts" this
            • D wants to have this freedom; doens’t want to be an artist as a "job" or "unique role"
          • use of artistic techniques / practices as a medium
            • doing experiments
              • is "playting", but in the adult context
            • exploring and sharing without restrictions
            • social space of creation
          • E: association with "carneval"
            • Art as a bargain
            • being "decoupled" from society ?
          • E: wants [[revolution]], not carneval

        • D: if he had to use a label (which he doesn’t like), it would be that he works with "concepts" ("conceptual artist")

        • using art as a lens, a way of seeing

        • D: many people are asking similar questions to the ones we are asking/discussing

        • E: how to also enable new connection making ?

          • and how can groups have conversations among themselves (between groups)

        • E: info com

        • E: interested in the spectrum between writing with natural languages and programming

        • D: broad current interest: information and the digital context

          • what are structurings of information that make it useful to me and others?

        • E: "[[Context]]" is a key concept

          • key problem in CS and [[information theory]]: the question of "state"
          • a way to think of context:
            • an intersection of [[world model]]s (e.g. between communicating parties), together with
            • [[transformations]] (i.e. ones we do in our minds), such as
              • when translating terms in one’s mind when someone else is speaking
              • tracing paths of thinking (??)
              • knowing who one is speaking/listening to and interpreting in this context
          • some things are able to be externalized as technical tools
            • if they are modularizable and can have an "interface" to interact and link up with
          • some things are somehow so entangled and enmeshed that it seems impossible to seperate them out from what happens in the mind and externalize them
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