# second-order cybernetics AKA the cybernetics of [[cybernetics]]. Second-order cybernetics includes more learning and reflection on goals. It's not just about efficiency. ([[Liss C. Werner, "Cybernetics: State of the Art"]]) > the cybernetic shift from object to message > > – [[The Knowledge Ecology]] ^ Not 100% sure but I feel like this shift is more a part of second-order cybernetics.