- [[2022-11-13]] - See also: https://doc.anagora.org/synthesis-infrastructures-group - Attended the breakout room for [[social synthesis]], see Agora notes. - [[Breakout rooms]] synthesis (in common) - someone asked about [[commmons]] that have scaled well, good question - [[Silvia Bessa]] - [[patterns]] for [[incentivizing synthesis]] - [[authors]] - something based on [[model cards]] - [[patterns languages]] - https://synthesis-infrastructures.wiki/Social_Systems - [[scrum patterns]] used [[towns, buildings, construction]] as reference - [[angelina lesnikova]] how to properly do metrics for incentivization? - [[flancian]] [[agora]] :) - [[jonny]] - [[private bitcoin trackers]] -- what do they do right? - [[p2p]] systems that are self sustaining - they make it a social process - they have a role to play: overlays that require an additional effort - independence or interdependence with a [[credit assignment system]] - #al decision making, giving it as a right to the community - [[ronen tamari]] how platforms capture data that could be used to do [[credit assignment]], reclaiming this data for the community - #al [[funding]] has been one of the leading incentive mechanisms - [[martin karlsson]] on [[social systems]] - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g1V4WKKmIaEajC9AW9fdbqOnTd7joaasc-AjFDYNC5o/edit?usp=sharing - https://synthesis-infrastructures.wiki/Social_Systems - but notes presented are in a [[google doc]] - arriving at alignment - incentivizing succesfully changing our minds - do we need a license or agreement? - "what is the linked data"? (what is the work?) - [[jay]]: [[evidence map]], recognizing people, recognition tiers - [[res cognito]] - [[jonny saunders]] on [[social synthesis]] - [[ronen tamari]] - helping scholars find each other's work - curating content - micro contributions to discourse - sharing attention or endorsement - it's hard to currently find all meta (e.g. reviews, comments, annotations) for a given resource - "given some URL or ar reference for a paper", give me all X related to it/aggregate them - [[minimum viable product]] that could arise: - notes that researchers take *while* they do (read) research - [[flancian]] https://hypothes.is is doing well in this space - #push [[michael toomim]] recognizing entities/short names in [[mastodon]], [[jonny saunders]]'s work on [[wiki bot]] and dumping to [[semantic media wiki]]. - [[braid]] (!) - Michael ~ https://github.com/toomim -> https://braid.org, very cool, I was tracking it - [[jonny saunders]] - what is some way of accessing and providing linked data directly in [[mastodon]]? - [[amy]] some external link resolving - https://masto.synthesis-infrastructures.wiki is an experimental [[mastodon]] instance for the wiki - their approach uses [[jonny:wiki:foo]] for writing to [[foo]] IIUC - [[semantic mediawiki]] uses a [[property::object]] scheme - [[amy zhang]] created something complementary to [[jonny]]'s! - [[bot]] approach - something that can bootstrap off what people are already doing -- what's the least extra that they can do? - trying to bootstrap from paper announcements - if someone makes an announcement post of their paper, if they add an identifier in it in the form (username:string) - the bot will respond to that post with a link to the announcement and the original paper announcement of the paper - see https://masto.synthesis-infrastructures.wiki/@Synthbot/109335372976261537 - using social more as a [[primary data store]] - [[joel chan]] do you think this can be trialed in [[unsure]]? - [[amy zhang]] how to agree on hashtags/short forms/ways to identify papers? - [[flancian]] [[wikilinks]] - [[sam klein]] are you thinking of keeping a separate index of hashtags somewhere? - [[toomin]] no good database yet - [[wayne lutters]] environmental components that enable shared models -- [[interdisciplinary models]] - https://synthesis-infrastructures.wiki/Interdisciplinary_Models - making X machine readable/useful - https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc0WxcL-EgaKXtwhu9ydiYTFzKjvT9K7VPjqqPRrDWMPHsQ9Q/viewform?usp=sf_link - [[pater murray-rust]] (has a lovely [[quixote]] drawing in the background)) - dataset in [[pdf]] - used [[obsidian]], got excited about the possibilities - would like to convert to [[markdown]] - https://github.com/petermr/semanticClimate - [[joel chan]] https://github.com/joelchan/semantic-climate-dg - [[wayne lutters]] - [[preservation]] after projects complete - solving your projects in the future; our future selves as the audience -> [[ellie desota]] - [[ellie desota]] - revisiting past projects, process - e.g. doing a [[literature review]] - [[semantic bibliography]] -> [[living bibliography]] - [[eventual realizations]], a machine could bring in new projects and papers on the field you're interested in - (comment from jonny: it doesn't make sense that every introduction is written from scratch) - seeing the [[evolution of the question]] - [[negative]] or [[zero]] cost to enable our future selves - [[meta science]] level and object science level - [[wayne lutters]] would love to be a [[bridge]] - if you have research that wants to be public, please share it - if you know systems or approaches, please share them - if you know narratives about why someone should do this, please share them - [[matthew evans]] - [[utopian ideals]] that could be achieved with these tools - [[federated repositories]] over siloes - "if you add it to the federation, it can be discovered" - better examples than "efficiency" are welcome - [[interfaces]] https://synthesis-infrastructures.wiki/Interfaces - [[pao siangliulue]] - which kind of synthesis-friendly interfaces can you build? - interview people from this workshop on how they do their [[synthesis]]? - working on a [[diagram]] - [[arthur perret]] - https://www.arthurperret.fr/articles/2022-11-13-researchers-needs-and-options-for-collaborative-synthesis.html - [[sharing screen]] - (wow, nice site; reminds me of [[gwern]]'s) - #push [[synthesis]] - [[summarized knowledge]] "if researchers are lucky, they might come across a published synthesis that is both on topic, with sufficient coverage, and up to date" - [[process]] of constructing new [[knowledge]] - the latter as larger question - [[needs]] - under-developed, but cites [[the handbook of science and technology]] - (wow, nice numbered sections/index on this site) - [[ways to work with materials]] - shift from [[publication]] to a finer level of granularity - (had to take a toilet break here!) - [[write in a scientific way]] - missed because of the above, will read - [[ways to navigate complexity]] - idem - [[pooja upadhyay]] - miro map of [[processes]], [[nuances]] and [[tools]] supporting these processes (!) - looks amazing -- https://miro.com/app/board/uXjVO7IFHEQ=/ (it seems, typed) - [[discovery]] - [[filtering]] - goinb back to marked information - (in between) [[writing notes]] - [[processing]] - [[annotation]] - genesis of shared - identifying [[gaps]] - [[synthesis]] - more [[interconnection]] - developing [[shared taxonomies]] - [[output]] - some sort of [[collaborative writing]] - [[google docs]] - [[pao siangliulue]] will try to publish or write an article about the outcome - [[joel chan]] wants to join forces ;) - [[jordan wick]] - a [[sketch]] to link paper annotation and twitter/mastodon - [[paper]] - [[twitter]] and [[mastodon]] - https://jon-e.net/infrastructure/#rebuilding-scientific-communication - [[discourse modeling]] - [[karola kirsanow]] - https://synthesis-infrastructures.wiki/Discourse_Modeling - how do we transform/recompose [[narratives]]? - [[the hero's journey]] - understand literature, conversation, science research: the [[discourse graph]] - we have seen [[discourse graphs]]... but not many for some reason. - most of us have not taken it beyond an individual graph level - one implementation: [[roam research discourse graph]] - [[universal federation of discourse graphs]] ~ [[united federation of discourse graphs]] - [[naming]] is necessary for querying - want to implement a particular data model which is documented in the wiki proper - they mention the [[agora]] (!) - #push [[agora protocol]] - #meta [[question]] [[claim]] tagging looks very nice - stage two of the journey: [[the abyss]] - we're reimplementing so much per tool, why don't we just rely on mediawiki? - but what we're trying to really build here is a [[process]], a [[pattern language]] - [[karola kirsanow]] rocks - [[kyle m]] - goal for the weekend: work with [[discourse graphs as data]] - new to [[sparql]] but is adding a [[tools]] section to the wiki - will document how to do [[rdf]] -> [[json jd]] -> [[mathematica]] -> [[querying]] - [[konrad hinsen]] - [[federated future]] - tried annotating on [[mediawiki]] and felt [[friction]] - writing tools that enable better annotation during and after writing - how can we collaborate on the same graphs and representations given our diversity of backgrounds, the different tags/terminology we'd use? - [[agora]] - [[everything2]] - [[massive wiki]] - [[metasj]] - on [[naming]] and [[scope]] - it starts with: why are we doing this? which kind of discourse would be like to support? - we're doing this so that people working on compatible ideas can find each other and each other's arguments - priority; getting a few hundred discourse graphs, examples of questions that have been answered this way, which of course supports short and long form hypotheses - in an example, as we were trying to sketch out a discourse in the wiki, we did this at the level of section headers - advantages of systems that support [[transclusion]] - [[short hand is used in large contexts]] - [[deniz aydemir]] - joined late but would like to point out a few salient points - konrad mentioned that we need to remember the user perspective, how to meet the user where they are - [[karola kirsanow]] - call out: if you can annotate your notes with [[discourse graph]] tools, please do so and we'll try to work on integrating :) - [[computable graphs]] - [[joel chan]] - presenting https://synthesis-infrastructures.wiki/Computable_Graphs - how do we contextualize databases? - what does provenance means for [[knowledge graphs]]? - potential of [[nlp research]] - [[temporal knowledge graphs]] - lots of connections with other groups w.r.t. [[augmenting reading]], [[annotations]] - as a teaching tool - #push [[annotations]] - [[jonny saunders]] mentioned https://refer.cx on chat - presenting [[roam research]] [[megacoglab]] graph - [[meta]] how to keep momentum from this whole? - [[flancian]] [[call to action]] page in the wiki created by Jonny? - [[discord by default]] - [[martin karlsson]] suggest we use [[research roadmapping]] - [[michael toomim]] what are all the different *groups*? - [[metascience group]] for example - [[discourse graphing]] - [[federation]] - [[joel chan]] fill in https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc0WxcL-EgaKXtwhu9ydiYTFzKjvT9K7VPjqqPRrDWMPHsQ9Q/viewform - [[metasj]] ~ [[samuel klein]] - Potential feature requests for discourse graph schemas, qualifiers/properties/parameters for distinguishing kinds of connections. Where are current discussions happening? - [[silvia bessa]] would people like to participate in a second edition of this, maybe physically? - many yeses all around :) - [[wayne lutters]] - for the next 1.5w, there's a conference ongoing: [[CSCW]] ~ https://cscw.acm.org/2022/ - [[karola kirsanow]] - a [[living project]], would love to see you all again [[virtually or in person]] - [[jodi schneider]] is here and worked on [[cosma]] with [[guillaume brioudes]] - #push [[action items]] - https://synthesis-infrastructures.wiki/Calls_to_Action - reach out to [[wayne lutters]] with narratives/example - reach out to [[michael toomin]] - [[peter murray rust]] - reach out to... lots of people actually, this group is amazing!