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Meetings

[[2021-05-22]]
- still want to write NoTSoF
  - make for a pattern language FIRST
- intention to merge our notes once we’ve made them
- for reading group on wednesday wanted to choose patterns
  - use repository
- TO Dos
  - summary of introduction of Pattern Language
  - start brainstorming list for glossary of terms fo NoTSoF (or more general [[Christopher Alexander]]), write these into the [[Agora]]
- them telling me some things from their last conversation
  - regarding information and context
    - how to understand what others understand, as regards context
    - how to see if we are on the same page
    - sometimes one spends a lot of time of doing things, but one doesn’t realize one is not using the same concepts/ideas for a given term
    - how to determine a minimum set of concepts/tools to check understanding -> a "conceptual context"
    - what can a "minimum denominator" be in understanding that can be a common ground / context
    - how to deal with context question
      - including passing a text, passing materials to share one’s own context
      - procedures to assemble a context
      - procedures to check if we have the same context
        
        e.g. in the agora, pooling materials around a node
- building bridges between conventions rather than
- the exercise we are doing is about assembling different points of view on a single given topic
[[2021-04-24]]
- Topic one: moving/experimenting towards a shared digital garden?
  - D: there are two things to distinguish
    - shared garden for sharing notes
    - discussion/threading/chat space
  - J: let’s focus on the shared notes thing first
Links
- twitter but more user controlled ?
  - https://joinmastodon.org/
  - https://ctznry.com/
- the original wiki: https://wiki.c2.com/
- an neat threaded hypertext project: https://www.kickscondor.com/HT2020/
- https://anagora.org/wiki-modes
[[2021-04-03]]
- [[Walter Benjamin]]
  - The work of art in the age of mechanical reproduction
- [[Hannah Arendt]]
  - Jonathan wants to probably read a bit about her "theory of action"
    - https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/arendt/#AreTheAct
- Copyright, Information laws, authorship, reputations, social capital
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography
- memes don’t have authorship
- why/when is authorship important?
  - recognition
- D thinks it would be interesting to apply the pattern language paradigm to understanding the nature of information and our interactions with it
- Luciana mentioning that information discussion reminded her of Derrida
  - maybe intellectual three to Bateson ?
  - key term for Derrida ‘difference’
- E interested in definitions of information, information theory, etc
  - relation of information and power
  - seeing as a state
    - seeing people as information about them
- Now pages
  - https://sive.rs/nowff
- Idea of having one’s own API
- Digital gardeners
  - Anne le-Cunff
  - Telegram chat
- Moa
  - integrating different streams/platforms of information
- Indie-web, RSS
- Indiekit
- Plan files
  - .plan format, writing what one is planning to do
- Carmack
  - famous programmer (doom, quake engines)
- Primer
  - movie, made with 10‘000, indie sci fi
- Junkhead
  - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge18Ieyi9bI&t=9s
- [[Adam Curtis]]
  - Can’t get you out of my head
  - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Can%27t_Get_You_Out_of_My_Head_(TV_series)
- Harun Farocki
  - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harun_Farocki
- J’s MA project?
  - Structuralist vs. ‘content/empotional/energetics’ vs. UX aspects - maybe they form a trichotemy?
- Omega rule
  - extension of principle of charity ?
  - make effort to interpret what someone else is saying as if it makes complete sense
- Question about
  - https://twitter.com/flancian/status/1320054847987646469
[[2021-06-03]]
- https://www.beeperhq.com/
- https://ghost.org/
[[2021-02-14]]
- How we relate to [[information]]
- Thought connection to [[Christopher Alexander]]: systems that allow open-ended organic evolution
- ample — seperation/distinction between [[modeling]] and [[coding]]
  - how to get people to communicate what they need
- m prime
- protopian themes will always lead to the word "good"
  - thinking of it as a "free variable"
  - ethics as fundmental thing to consider
    - always need to incorporate when we think/speak about how a system "should be"
    - lyotard
  - Daniel’s (short-) story:
    - an overall theme to place here at the start: the back and forth interplay between technology and society
    - a short choronology
      - began studying mulimedia engineering, was attracted to playing with tech
      - first study program was a mix of computer science and design, but felt like a frankenstein program
      - he moved to a design university to continue his study path
        
        electronic art and digital design
      - got involved in touch-pad table project
      - this lead to being part of starting an UX design studio
      - in context of various projects became more interested the way people were interacting with digital projects/objects rather than on the content of those projects/objects
      - moved more into art
      - art was inspiring him and wanted to also inspire others
      - developed his own form of artistic practice
      - stopped working for brands
      - moved to the woods with a friend (call them X); X has more tech skill than D
      - together they started prototyping
        
        D more on the research part
        
        X on the tech part
      - D did a bootcamp to learn more of the tech tools
      - bounced back though to thinking more about the tools / human / interaction (??) side
      - trying to find balance
  - D: comment about how
    - artists "can do whatever they want"
      - society "accepts" this
      - D wants to have this freedom; doens’t want to be an artist as a "job" or "unique role"
    - use of artistic techniques / practices as a medium
      - doing experiments
        
        is "playting", but in the adult context
      - exploring and sharing without restrictions
      - social space of creation
    - E: association with "carneval"
      - Art as a bargain
      - being "decoupled" from society ?
    - E: wants [[revolution]], not carneval
  - D: if he had to use a label (which he doesn’t like), it would be that he works with "concepts" ("conceptual artist")
  - using art as a lens, a way of seeing
  - D: many people are asking similar questions to the ones we are asking/discussing
    - how to have these [[conversations]] with groups of people?
  - E: how to also enable new connection making ?
    - and how can groups have conversations among themselves (between groups)
      - [[liquid democracy]], delegates ?
  - E: info com
    - [[text adventures]] / [[interactive fiction]]
    - [[collaborative writing]]
    - [[conversation trees]]
  - E: interested in the spectrum between writing with natural languages and programming
  - D: broad current interest: information and the digital context
    - what are structurings of information that make it useful to me and others?
  - E: "[[Context]]" is a key concept
    - key problem in CS and [[information theory]]: the question of "state"
    - a way to think of context:
      - an intersection of [[world model]]s (e.g. between communicating parties), together with
      - [[transformations]] (i.e. ones we do in our minds), such as
        
        when translating terms in one’s mind when someone else is speaking
        
        tracing paths of thinking (??)
        
        knowing who one is speaking/listening to and interpreting in this context
    - some things are able to be externalized as technical tools
      - if they are modularizable and can have an "interface" to interact and link up with
    - some things are somehow so entangled and enmeshed that it seems impossible to seperate them out from what happens in the mind and externalize them

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