Attending: [[ zicklag ]] [[ bouncepaw ]] [[ flancian ]]
Greetings!
[[ Zicklag ]] it looks like we’re doing similar stuff/playing with similar things.[[ Flancian ]] looking forward as well![[ Bouncepaw ]] +1, let’s start with intros
Check ins
[[ bouncepaw ]] : computer science student in Russia, finishing a degree soon; golang dev, switching jobs in a week. Doing open source for some time. Two projects: [[ mycorrhiza ]] and [[ betula ]] , we can discuss them later.
[[ Zicklag ]] : been coding since I was 10 :) it runs in the family; dad is DBA/cloud architect/devops, learnt lots of stuff from him. With brothers been exploring making video games. Met [[ Erlend ]] in the Rust community, was playing with [[ Haxe ]] prior and moved to Rust for safety.
[[ Fish folk ]] jumpy game
Was then looking for something closer to a job :)
Interested in community building.
Discord server approach is maybe a risk, as you can "lose" a community if you get kicked out
Links page generator
Local first, take back your data
Akin to [[ carrd ]] to and [[ link tree ]] ?
[[ Weird ]] wants to [[ bring back personal websites ]]
Side note: [[ indieweb ]] seems maybe related/affine
[[ Zicklag ]] : seen on the side but not totally got deep in it, would like to integrate as much as possible. Indieweb culture seems very developer-oriented.+1. I know [[ Chris Aldrich ]] who is a proponent/could be intereting to meet.
Next iteration of [[ web rings ]] in this space.
Want to make it very easy: sign up and you get a subdomain, you can choose which domain.
More domains in pockets
Could then also facilitate making use of your own domain in new ways, e.g. get a bluesky user based on your domain
Would like to make it so that you can replicate all your data using your browser only
Q: with local storage? some other arch?
IndexDB plus P2P using WASM
We want to [[ bring back user agency ]] by making it easy enough for normal people.
Side note: know of some projects like [[ sutty ]] which are in a similar space.
Q: is money still a motivator/topic?
A: yes; we’re planning on charging something like ~$50/y to unlock custom domains and some other features.
Storage requirements also drive that, e.g. through the [[ leaf ]] protocol (sp?)
Q: do you know the prices of your competitors, e.g. linktree?
Planning connectors so people can bring their data from other platforms.
\o/
intermediate data format
[[ leaf ]] everything has a schema and a spec
similar to rdf, or to atproto’s lexikon
rdf was too granular
atproto is object-oriented-like
leaf is in the middle, tries to compose many items that are small and each have a class (mixin like)
Hoping for an MVP by the end of December
almost there with billing
web designer helping out
[[ Leaf ]] grew out organically out of our requirements
Q: what is weird? :)
A: depends on the audience.
A0: weird is the easiest way of having a personal website.
A1: it’s an offline data store with synchronization, and a way to publish websites from it.
all the data is eventually consistent and can be sync’d p2p
[[ willow ]] defines the minimum semantics necessary to get synchronization to work
[[ loro.dev ]] might be integrated in the future, it’s a [[ crdt ]]
side notes:
ipfs?
[[ fission ]] ~ fission.codes tried to build something similar but folded recently
A2: it’s the previous plus it has a social aspect, indexing/cross-linking layer
Weird is [[ open source ]] ; there’s a non-commercial license on the web app.
Q: do you know about [[ solid ]] by [[ tbl ]] ?
A: a little bit but we haven’t delved into the tech.
Have heard: RDF can be heavyweight. It also seemed very "enterprise focused".
[[ bouncepaw ]] : tried to understand it with their specification and failed; activitypub spec is much better. Like the idea of pods though.
[[ Mycoverse ]]
[[ Knowledge Base ]] [[ Neno ]] : https://polyrainbow.github.io/neno
[[ Agora ]] : https://anagora.org pull
aggregator
prosocial approach
Next steps
We’ll join the weird room :)
Q: when will you work on ActivityPub integration?
After the MVP but maybe earlier than 2026. Subscribing will come sooner to help people archive mastodon profiles though.