Q: would publishing Athens to web be useful? Agora
wikilinks with brackets, broadcast to all digital gardens participating
Q: How does [[Athens]] fit in the wider ecosystem?
A: unfortunately not lots of collaboration.
A: some chats with [[Foam]] and [[logseq]]. logseq have the most in common; they use clojurescript/datascript.
A: it's probably too hard to merge projects or come up with a shared vision.
A: coordination cost is high. Expected value is not very high in the immediate. We are all trying to be successful, then
A coordination problem
Civilization suffers from it. We need to believe that it can be solved, but it's unclear how to go about it.
Most recent examples of successful standards come from crypto. In the crypto space you have open protocols, a few companies work exclusively on exchanges and interop.
W3C standard: would you be happy if that happened?
Jeff: Yes! But does everyone want that? Coordination again.
[[logseq]] started one month before [[Athens]]; similar number of contributors. Wanted to partner with them, we had an agreement. First a standard, then perhaps even merging; we had similar visions, were using similar technologies.
Coordinating was considered too difficult in the end at this stage.
Hub-like standard? Periphery. Hypothesis: multiplayer is key. Hub provides multiplayer, a social graph.
Beautiful but very idealistic.
A: I'm also very pragmatic though.
Social knowledge graphs
Look up: [[Nate Liason]] -- "effortless output in Roam". More for beginners.