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Jerry Michalski says: https://flowimmersive.com/tricast Fellow Jitster says: (note for later: Obs 27 has issues) Jerry Michalski says: https://doc.anagora.org/fellowship-of-the-link Jerry Michalski says:the book in progress: https://personalknowledgegraphs.com/#/page/Personal%20Knowledge%20Graphs mathew says:Shipping containers for thoughts https://anagora.org/ramon-llull Jerry Michalski says: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conrad_Gessner Chris Aldrich says:You want this reference Mathew: Lima, Manuel. The Book of Trees: Visualizing Branches of Knowledge, 2014. https://papress.com/products/the-book-of-trees-visualizing-branches-of-knowledge mathew says:πŸ‘ Chris Aldrich says:Some additional names for your history of knowledge list: Aristotle, Porphyry, Isidore of Seville, Lambert of Saint-Omer, R. Llull, Joachim of Fiore, F. Bacon, C. Linnaeus, R. Descartes, E. Haeckel, Thomas Harrison, Leibnitz, Beatrice Webb Jerry Michalski says: https://wiki.rel8.dev/rel8_pioneers

Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says: https://www.rel8.dev/

20:02 me says:(feel free to queue topics in https://doc.anagora.org/fellowship-of-the-link?edit ) 20:02 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says:underlay and interlay projects Jerry Michalski says:Sam Klein 20:13 me says: https://doc.anagora.org/fellowship-of-the-link?edit

20:14 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says: https://mathewlowry.medium.com/from-personal-to-social-knowledge-graphs-a-vision-statement-draft-fc86ef4f7022

Jerry Michalski says: https://indieweb.org/Webmention

Jerry Michalski says: http://microformats.org/

Jerry Michalski says: https://blot.im/

20:34 me says:nice: https://github.com/davidmerfield/blot

me says:that exists 20:36 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says:yes, I just spent some time discovering who created Blot. he hides well 20:37 Chris Aldrich Chris Aldrich says:The design and UI portions of this are definitely paramount. 20:37 mathew mathew says: https://www.otherlife.co/pkm/

20:38 Chris Aldrich Chris Aldrich says: https://blot.im/

20:38 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says: https://www.otherlife.co/pkm/

Jerry Michalski says: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justinmatthewmurphy/

20:38 Chris Aldrich Chris Aldrich says:The better link for that with some commentary on those who are in the note taking space: https://via.hypothes.is/https://www.otherlife.co/pkm/

20:39 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says:nuggets! 20:39 Chris Aldrich Chris Aldrich says:Andy Matuschak 20:39 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says:nuggets, narratives and points of view: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmId2x6JSQE&feature=related

20:39 Chris Aldrich Chris Aldrich says:Mathew, you should also take a look at Ward Cunningham's FedWiki spaces which are very similar to Andy's notes. Chris Aldrich says:Ward's system has a set up with those small ideas linked within a broader wiki and he's got a programatic "Markov Monkey" that traverses all these nodes on the linked graph. 20:41 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says:that friendly giant vampire squid Jerry Michalski says:and I do think vampire squids have gotten a bad rap... 20:42 SJ SJ says:πŸ˜ƒ 20:42 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says:FedWiki, Cult of Roam, Zettelkasten, Brain.... 20:43 me says:they should all be able to contribute to the Commons πŸ˜ƒ 20:43 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says:this is modern literacy Jerry Michalski says:how do we get everyone working/thinking this way? 20:46 mathew mathew says:FWIW, the myhub curation bookmarklet is "default publish", not "save draft". 20:47 Chris Aldrich Chris Aldrich says:FriendFeed! 20:47 mathew mathew says:πŸ˜ƒ 20:47 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says:cash HC economy Jerry Michalski says:oh right! the question we asked earlier! πŸ˜ƒ Jerry Michalski says:what is your inbound stream? defining that Jerry Michalski says:from all sources 20:49 me says:like an [[agora view]] 20:49 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says:easy to curate 20:49 mathew mathew says: https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/1*FbdJHEnIedP3xTjNO70JUA.png

20:49 Chris Aldrich Chris Aldrich says:I want the [[agora as a service]] so I can have my own, but with out the admin tax and overhead. 20:49 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says:Knowledge Navigator's assistants 20:51 mathew mathew says:So do we need to be building tools for Adversarial Interoperability 20:52 me says:+1 me says:there's two possible assistants mentioned in the Agora currently that I know of: [[socrates]] (a teacher) and [[robofriend]] (a maintainer) 20:53 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says:nice! Jerry Michalski says: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/10/adversarial-interoperability

20:55 me says:"having a somewhere" me says:knowledge contexts 20:55 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says: https://www.thebigfungus.org/

Jerry Michalski says:that's one of my wheres; the other is my Brain Jerry Michalski says:intimacy gradient Jerry Michalski says:maps to who gets to see what Jerry Michalski says:link to the piece, Chris? Jerry Michalski says: https://indieweb.org/Microsub

Jerry Michalski says:View-Master Jerry Michalski says:HMW really use power tools well? Jerry Michalski says:composability Jerry Michalski says:bespoke vs off the shelf Jerry Michalski says: https://micro.blog/

21:03 me says:what I'd like to do is fund services where you can pay for others as well me says:as in, you pay $20 for micro.blog and that way three other people don't have to pay 21:05 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says:nice Jerry Michalski says:pay it forward Jerry Michalski says: https://notes.andymatuschak.org/z2QvtE9w5zs49x7WUeG8Ut1vywHDLiG2Wkm9p

21:06 me says:(need to go in about five minutes) 21:08 Chris Aldrich Chris Aldrich says: https://indieweb.org/social_reader

Chris Aldrich says: https://indieweb.org/Microsub

Chris Aldrich says:For the [[adversarial interoperability]] fans: https://granary.io/

Chris Aldrich says:Here's that Webmention notification on my site from Andy's: https://boffosocko.com/2021/07/03/differentiating-online-variations-of-the-commonplace-book-digital-gardens-wikis-zettlekasten-waste-books-florilegia-and-second-brains/#comment-351147

Chris Aldrich says: https://indieweb.org/Micro.blog

21:12 mathew mathew says:that's absolutely the mysilio business model mathew says:(thinking tool on Solid pods) 21:13 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says:this is, after all, the FoTL 21:14 mathew mathew says:πŸ˜ƒ 21:14 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says:it's links all the way down 21:14 mathew mathew says:link s primary, the rest is context 21:14 Chris Aldrich Chris Aldrich says:This post has a short video that gives an overview of how social readers and webmention work in conjunction with one's website using small building blocks loosely joined: https://boffosocko.com/2021/04/26/a-twitter-of-our-own-at-oerxdomains-2021-conference/

21:15 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says:mycelial interconnections Jerry Michalski says:yes! 21:15 me says:a [[fungus view]]? me says:or a personalized [[portal]]

https://doc.anagora.org/fellowship-of-the-link?edit

19:05 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says: https://chat.collectivesensecommons.org/agora/channels/ogm-fellowship-of-the-link

Jerry Michalski says: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RAourQe_MKh0uWomLsS_V5ea3zm30g8paE49X56jIHs/edit

Jerry Michalski says: https://www.fellowshipofthelink.org/

19:12 Chris Aldrich Chris Aldrich says: christopherjaldrich@gmail.com is probably a good email address for that 19:13 Diego Diego says: delahera@gmail.com

19:14 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says: https://bra.in/4jXVP2

19:20 me says:that's [[rel8]]? 19:31 Chris Aldrich Chris Aldrich says:Does The Brain have a feed coming out of it to be able to find recent things someone else has put into it? 19:33 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says:nyet. I asked Harlan for an RSS feed 15 years ago. still doesn't have one Jerry Michalski says: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Toulmin#The_Toulmin_model_of_argument

Jerry Michalski says:Instathink? 19:40 me says:pixelfed πŸ˜ƒ plus mastodon with annotations 19:40 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says:oh! one more project to describe: Think Camp 19:40 me says:and pixelfed and mastodon interop πŸ˜‰ 19:40 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says:watch parties Jerry Michalski says:we're drowning in the infotorrent Jerry Michalski says:turning streams into gardens Jerry Michalski says: https://docdrop.org/video/XnoN7mCu9Yg/

Jerry Michalski says: https://bra.in/5pxdW6

19:48 Diego Diego says:lindylearn 19:49 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says: https://lindylearn.io/blogs ?? 19:50 Chris Aldrich Chris Aldrich says:Jerry, closer to this: https://annotations.lindylearn.io/new/

19:51 me says: https://lindylearn.substack.com/ has some background 19:51 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says:annotation tools https://bra.in/6qaBmj

Jerry Michalski says:reminder: I playfully bought this domain for these projects: https://www.playnz.dev/

Jerry Michalski says:also πŸ˜ƒ Jerry Michalski says:re the planes that Diego is describing Jerry Michalski says:I also like that the Big Fungus indirectly points to psilocybin... 19:55 Chris Aldrich Chris Aldrich says:The indieweb has explored the idea of mushrooms and a mycelium network Chris Aldrich says:which is a similar sort of analogy to what we're discussing 19:56 Diego Diego says:what is the problem of how to resolve them? 19:56 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says:is this about content addressability? Jerry Michalski says:love that, Chris Jerry Michalski says:is Tantek still in the middle of the indieweb? Jerry Michalski says:if so, he's an old acquaintance. we can invite him in 19:58 Chris Aldrich Chris Aldrich says:Tantek is definitely in the center and on a daily basis. 19:58 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says:schweet!

Chat and Polls Chat Polls Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says:Ida Josefiina 20:05 Marc-Antoine Parent Marc-Antoine Parent says:that's a lot of us πŸ˜ƒ 20:05 Peter Kaminski Peter Kaminski says: https://uk.linkedin.com/in/ida-josefiina-40824a75

Peter Kaminski says:"X-Risk" https://mitpress.mit.edu/9781913029845/x-risk/

20:06 Marc-Antoine Parent Marc-Antoine Parent says: https://www.supermind.design/database

20:07 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says:Supermind in my Brain: https://bra.in/4qEXDK

20:07 Peter Kaminski Peter Kaminski says: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_strength_and_readability_report

Peter Kaminski says: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apgar_score (1952) 20:10 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says:Apgar Score (1952 Appearance, Pulse, Grimace, Activity, Respiration) 20:10 Peter Kaminski Peter Kaminski says: https://eastgate.com/Tinderbox/

20:10 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinderbox_(application_software)

Jerry Michalski says:Mark Bernstein Jerry Michalski says:who wrote this in 1988: http://www.eastgate.com/garden/Enter.html ! 20:11 Peter Kaminski Peter Kaminski says: http://www.eastgate.com/storyspace/index.html

20:14 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storyspace

20:14 Peter Kaminski Peter Kaminski says:"Familiar hypertext tools support calligraphic hypertext, hypertext that begins without links and lets the writer link things that should be connected. Storyspace 3 adds sculptural hypertext tools as well. Sculptural hypertext begins with densely linked bundles like decks of cards, from which the reader might select pages in any sequence. But Storyspace hypertexts aren’t just random: writers can remove links and enforce constraints so the hypertext organizes itself. Sculptural hypertext encourages painterly narrative in which the writer controls what she knows to be necessary while relaxing control over the reader when control might not be needed." 20:14 Fellow Jitster Fellow Jitster says:(taking notes in https://doc.anagora.org/fellowship-of-the-link , but I started late) 20:18 Marc-Antoine Parent Marc-Antoine Parent says: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AY6y-uHUQE82zfLgwZLk29VPTaI1P5AMo6HT8zz1WDU/edit

20:18 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says:this is the spreadsheet where we tested the radar chart, with some dimensions: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hY2V5NoSS713R2wzcjBE2q5KZIlfMOPFtL9g6Gaop_o/edit#gid=0

20:19 Peter Kaminski Peter Kaminski says:Here is our project planning/coordination wiki (short-term URL, obviously): "Project plan - Mapping the thinking tool landscape with collective intelligence" https://dainty-sable-264aa3.netlify.app/project/project_plan

20:19 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says:Flancian is on a roller coaster! 20:20 me says:haha, joined from the office today so away from my better tested equipment πŸ˜‰ 20:20 Peter Kaminski Peter Kaminski says: https://www.scrintal.com/

20:22 jackpark jackpark says: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m56SHPGgeFfB_3ToO9-VB9Yu266wtS5-9xlwaFeJ68k/edit?usp=sharing is a link to a user's manual for LiteNet which is a topic map-based pkm - I don't push it because it needs more work. jackpark says:scrintal just sent me an invite to join 20:23 Marc-Antoine Parent Marc-Antoine Parent says: https://lu.ma/tftrocks-oct22

20:23 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says:T4T interop 20:25 jackpark jackpark says:By way of the superminds youtube, discovered this https://www.gyanai.com/

20:26 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says:Gyan founder is Joy Dasgupta Jerry Michalski says:one version of Marc-Antoine explaining HyperKnowledge: https://hyperknowledge.org/HyperKnowledge.mp4

20:29 jackpark jackpark says: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joy-dasgupta-67722833/

20:29 Chris Aldrich Chris Aldrich says:Who needs word police when we can go "full Humpty Dumpty": "When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean – neither more or less."β€”H. Dumpty (via Lewis Carroll) 20:29 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says:Calvinball for words! 20:29 Chris Aldrich Chris Aldrich says: https://boffosocko.com/2011/08/16/meaning-according-to-humpty-dumpty/

20:30 Peter Kaminski Peter Kaminski says:non sequitur, Nick Milo has had two really good PKM / LYT conferences this year (consider getting on one of his mailing lists to hear about more). The conferences are free and have recordings. Peter Kaminski says: https://www.linkingyourthinking.com/conference

Peter Kaminski says: https://www.linkingyourthinking.com/idea-exchange-conference

20:30 jackpark jackpark says: https://twitter.com/the_LYT_way

20:33 Chris Aldrich Chris Aldrich says:For [[deep backlinks]], [[Kevin Marks]] has some interesting/useful prior art that is working in a few places on the web: https://indieweb.org/fragmention

20:39 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says:I kept misreading it as "fragmentation" it's frag mention! Jerry Michalski says:tx, Chris Jerry Michalski says:superforecasters πŸ˜ƒ Jerry Michalski says:rating assertions over time for their accuracy Jerry Michalski says:including the cost of lives lost Jerry Michalski says:actuarial? Jerry Michalski says:heresy! hashtags are not enough 20:50 me says:lexon 20:59 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says: http://lexon.tech/

20:59 Marc-Antoine Parent Marc-Antoine Parent says: http://www.lexon.tech/

20:59 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says:more precise, hidden speech Jerry Michalski says:codes Jerry Michalski says:coded speech Jerry Michalski says:what's the right term for coded speech? I'm not finding the right things Jerry Michalski says:Coded Language? 21:04 Marc-Antoine Parent Marc-Antoine Parent says:how is it different from dog whistle? 21:04 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says:dog whistle is a type of this more general term Jerry Michalski says:the recording stopped spontaneously at the hour. I have a file w the recording here. but no notice, etc. 😦 21:07 Chris Aldrich Chris Aldrich says:there's also [[code switching]] which is a cultural identity flavor of this 21:08 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says:well, that didn't work. it stopped on its own, almost immediately Jerry Michalski says:guess we can't record >60 mins Jerry Michalski says:or maybe it takes two different users Jerry Michalski says:and my Brain! and my Brain! 21:10 me says:I'm working on ogm.agor.ai πŸ˜‰ 21:10 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says:I get site can't be reached there 21:11 me says:it's not up yet ,sorry -- but I do have agor.ai , the idea is to run different agoras in different subdomains 21:11 Jerry Michalski Jerry Michalski says:aaah 21:11 Type a message

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