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Big Qs on Greek history§

  • Why all Greeks in the southeast Mediterranean didn’t manage to connect with the modern Greek-state?
  • Why [[Gounaris]] won the elections of 1915 with a landslide of 75%, while [[Venizelos]] had done the same 8 months earlier??
  • Why did we surrender the Rupel defence-line and East Macedonia to the Kingdom of Bulgaria (1916)??
  • Why [[Dekemvriana]] happened, although [[EAM]] cheered British troops on 12 Oct??
  • Why [[KKE]] started the [[Greek Civil War]] although it had signed the Varkiza agreement??
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her in 1944, even though she had given the first theoretical explanation.

Albert Einstein called Meitner “our Marie Curie." She also adamantly refused to work on the atomic bomb during WWII. https://t.co/JCWerQSjM2 #women #history #science #energy https://t.co/RrNiC6MBaZ (2/2) https://t.co/RvKy0znsMm


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RT @vga256@dialup.cafe digging through my #retrocomputing library: an #obscure #macintosh #history book recommendation… Michael Green’s long-forgotten classic, Zen & The Art of the Macintosh.

it’s a weird book, full of neo/western-zen buddhism and rambling thoughts (1/2)


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18 book reading list for computer history§

from broad strokes to the lore to the stories to the tangents to the UNIX, these are must reads for every hacker.


18 book reading list for computer history§

from broad strokes to the lore to the stories to the tangents to the§

UNIX, these are must reads for every hacker.

The tech industry has a bad case of memory loss these days. Luckily, previous generations of the industry (along with journalists and academics) have done a pretty good job of cataloguing and contextualizing our history for us.

If you have any interest in engaging in or interacting with the tech industry, knowing the history gives you the upper hand. With that in mind, here are my picks for the minimum set of volumes you should read, in order to get a general idea of the important bits of computer history.

The broad strokes§

Rise of the Machines , by Thomas Rid

The Information , by James Gleick

The lore§

The Devouring Fungus , by Karla Jennings

The New Hacker’s Dictionary , by Eric S. Raymond

Out of Control , by Kevin Kelly

Microserfs , by Douglas Rushkoff

In the Beginning… Was the Command Line , by Neal Stephenson

Man-Made Minds , by M. Mitchell Waldrop

Stories§

Turing’s Cathedral , by George Dyson

Hackers: Heroes of the Computer Revolution , by Steven Levy

What the Dormouse Said , by John Markoff

Fire in the Valley , by Michael Swaine and Paul Freiberger

Possiplex , by Theodor Holm Nelson

Weaving the Web , by Tim Berners-Lee

Tangents§

The Idea Factory , by Jon Gertner

Interface Culture , by Stephen Johnson

UNIX§

The Art of Unix Programming , by Eric S. Raymond

The Unix Haters Handbook , by Simson Garfinkel, Daniel Weise, and Steven Strassman

Hacker Noon is how hackers start their afternoons. We’re a part of the @AMIfamily. We are now accepting submissions and happy to discuss advertising &sponsorship opportunities.

To learn more, read our about page, like/message us on Facebook, or simply, tweet/DM @HackerNoon.

If you enjoyed this story, we recommend reading our latest tech stories and trending tech stories. Until next time, don’t take the realities of the world for granted!

By John Ohno on December 28, 2016.

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Exported from Medium on September 18, 2020.

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The end of history is an idea that comes either from Hegelor his later interpreters. Some would say that the end of history is the end to contradiction while others would say that it's merely the recognition that contradiction is eternal

For Marxism the end of history is usually synonymous with communism which could be seen as an end to political contradiction. Personally, I'm not sure that I agree with this, as I think politicswill continue after capitalism but will merely take on a different form, such as debates over what society should collectively produce.

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Britain’s early handling of the coronavirus pandemic was one of the worst public health failures in UK history§

URL : https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/oct/12/covid-response-one-of-uks-worst-ever-public-health-failures

So sayeth a report from the Commons science and technology committee.

“Groupthink”, evidence of [[British exceptionalism]] and a deliberately “slow and gradualist” approach meant the UK fared “significantly worse” than other countries, according to the 151-page “Coronavirus: lessons learned to date” report led by two former Conservative ministers.

– Covid response ‘one of UK’s worst ever public health failures’ | Health polic…

Epistemic status§

Type : [[claim]]

Gut feeling : 8

Confidence : 7

Given it’s a report from the government, led by two former Tory ministers, seems pretty legit.

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#go https://maggieappleton.com/garden-history

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Does It Help to Know History?§

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Metadata§

Highlights§

  • But the best argument for reading history is not that it will show us the right thing to do in one case or the other, but rather that it will show us why even doing the right thing rarely works out.
  • What history generally “teaches” is how hard it is for anyone to control it, including the people who think they’re making it.
  • What history actually shows is that nothing works out as planned, and that everything has unintentional consequences. History doesn’t show that we should never go to war—sometimes there’s no better alternative. But it does show that the results are entirely uncontrollable, and that we are far more likely to be made by history than to make it.
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End of history§

For nearly thirty years Francis Fukuyama’s contention that “Western liberal democracy” represents “the end point of mankind’s ideological evolution” has measured the ebb and flow of history. The collapse of the World Trade Center; the Iraq and Afghanistan wars; the 2008 financial crisis, the rise of ISIS, the climate crisis and now the coronavirus have each prompted op-eds testing the thesis and finding it confirmed or wanting.

– [[Capitalist Catastrophism]]

In 2017 even Fukuyama had a go at becoming an anti-Fukuyamist when he voiced concern for the future of Western democracy, later going as far as to say that socialism “ought to come back” — if only to save capitalism from itself.

– [[Capitalist Catastrophism]]

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Figures such as Colston are not simply remote characters from history§

[[Colston]]

The Colston Four’s critics are deluded to think Britain owes no apology for i…

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Guerrilla History§

A : [[podcast series]]

URL : https://guerrillahistory.libsyn.com

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This hypha tracks major milestones in Melanocarpa history.

Timeline (WIP)

  • … creation time

  • … active editing started

  • … made more important

  • 2022-03-26 200 hyphae, first categories

  • 2022-04-03 a slight reskin:

    • Add favicon: a nice letter ש‎

    • New accent color: #72DEC2

  • 2022-06-10: Twitter exodus commenced

  • 2022-07-23 introducing the hypha stages

    • 2022-07-24 Categorizing

  • 2023-01-18 Set up Invalid interwiki: interwiki not set up , which is to contain all the link collections.

  • 2023-03-28 Changed the URL from https://melanocarpa.lesarbr.es to https://garden.bouncepaw.com

  • 2026-02-21 Moved the wiki to manetheren

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My hypermedia history§

So, I actually have a long history of (mostly failed or unsatisfying) hypermedia-adjacent or Alan Kay-ish projects, starting way back in…


My hypermedia history§

So, I actually have a long history of (mostly failed or unsatisfying) hypermedia-adjacent or Alan Kay-ish projects, starting way back in the sourceforge days.

First big one was called Sakura Hypermedia Desktop, and was a TCL/TK thing that you’d configure as your root window. You could rewrite parts of the code from a popup command line and persist those changes, and I had widgets. Ultimately, lack of proper multithreading and an inability to overlap widgets killed my plans for this.

(I could redo it today and make it way better (even sticking to TK) just by writing it in python & using shit I know how to do now. I was much less of a competent programmer back then.

Also TCL is almost worse than Perl in terms of how easy it is to write tiny powerful & totally unmaintainable code, and I made full use of that back then, because I had never worked on a big project before.

The site is still up: http://sakura-os.sourceforge.net/

All the code probably still works as well as it ever did. But, I was writing this in high school.

(The Sakura package contains just the desktop thing. Pak is the hypermedia archive tool. Papyrus is a never-functional text editor and Enki is a never- functional Pak navigator based on a 3d space of overlapping Pak-format cards.)

(Sakura & Pak are probably the only things worth actually looking at here.)

At one time I had all sorts of experimental integration with (shitty) speech synthesis and speech recognition tools in this too, though they were never actually usable & I don’t think that code ever got checked in anywhere or showed up in tarballs.

At the time I was obsessed with hypermedia demos like Knowledge Navigator & Starfire, and with descriptions by Alan Kay & Ted Nelson, but hadn’t seen this stuff because I had dialup and was using DOS & a c. 1998 release of Linux.)

The second big thing was a storage format called PAK, which stored bytestreams and metadata, and which had as part of the metadata links between parts of these bytestreams. Text was best-supported, but I had facilities to represent parts of videos (in time and space) as links, & wanted to create something like DVD-style menus. Lack of compatibility with third party tools & heavy use of python’s pickle format limited this but it fundamentally worked, and reliably, unlike the rest of Sakura.

Later, I discovered actual Xanadu documentation and wrote a whole bunch of attempted implementations of Xanadu-inspired stuff.

The first one was Project NAMCUB, which was an attempt to implement xu88/udanax-green style enfilades in Prolog. It was later ported to Erlang, which also didn’t work.

The second was Project XANA, an OS in D that had a zigzag-inspired UI and an xu88-inspired filesystem. It worked but was horribly slow, & is mostly notable for being the first or second OS written in D.

Later, I took some code from Project XANA to implement iX, an OS in C that had a UI much closer to original ZigZag & features much closer as well. This was usable and basically stable, but I had misunderstood how certain ZigZag facilities were supposed to work and why.

iX is the project that got me noticed by Ted Nelson and from 2011 to 2016 all my hypertext work was for Ted and kept secret :c

But, between finishing iX & meeting Ted I worked on a couple other ZZ implementations.

The best of these was dimscape (which I helped with but only a little). Dimscape supports playing videos & displaying images as well as regular text- based cells. There’s a version of Dimscape that properly implements all ZZ keybindings and features, but it has Xanadu-owned code grafted on so I can’t actually post it, but the old Dimscape is great & worth using.

But, I also built a handheld thing with an arduino that ran iX-but-worse.

Now, this brings us basically to the present. I’ve got an independent implementation of a proper ZigZag backend, a nice gopher client, a not-yet- working hypermedia viewer & editor using ipfs, an abandoned attempt at a hypermedia viewer/editor with a web-based front-end (meant as an alternative to Medium, but also as a trojan horse to introduce people to real transclusion), and I think I might have a curses-based zigzag frontend half- implemented somewhere.

When I say that I’ve “achieved all my dreams and realized they’re crap” in part what I mean is that all the stuff I’m into now in terms of what I like to implement is stuff that I was into at age 12. Hypermedia, distributed computing, novel programming languages and UI systems, planner-based reasoning systems, and prose generation were all also my jam in middle school & high school, even though I didn’t have the skills to articulate that stuff.

(I’ve lost a couple interests since then. I no longer really obsess over robots, strong AI, or neural nets.)

And, I’ve implemented stuff that’s pretty close to what I wanted back then but found it less satisfying than I expected.

I guess that’s life.

So pro tip for all you young people:

Never have goals. If you achieve them you will realize they were crap all along, and if you don’t then you’ll be stressed out about failing.

I wrote a lot of stuff, but it was over a really enormous amount of time. Like, the last time I touched Sakura was apparently 2005, and I worked on that for years.

On the other hand, I’d like to believe that my experience demonstrates that the fruit is so low-hanging in this area that an incompetent kid can implement genuinely interesting things in his free time. Basically, the bar is low because very few people have actually worked on this seriously since the late 80s, and Alan Kay is 3 of them.

The biggest stumbling block I’ve run into is the difficulty of using third party libraries — particularly third-party UI libraries. Compatibility with existing standards is a problem for the same reason. There are a lot of assumptions that proper hypermedia violates.

The second biggest stumbling block is that trying to keep cross-platform & avoid large complicated dependencies tends to mean sticking with old, limited libraries. (For instance, TK is nice to use and provides most of what I want, but it doesn’t support alpha or overlapping widgets, even on canvases.)

I still believe pretty strongly that the wonderful hypermedia future shown in the Starfire & Knowledge Navigator demos — the future that people like Alan Kay and Ted Nelson are still fighting for, and that Jef Raskin and Doug Engelbart didn’t live to see — is possible. There’s no technical reason we can’t have those systems — they were implemented on a small scale over and over. There are some new faces working on this stuff too, but progress feels much slower than it did in the 90s.

I’m starting to think, however, that existing incentive structures discourage people from making the kind of novel and interesting UI descisions that make it possible to build a bridge from novice to expert.

At the very least, those of us interested in real hypertext and real hypermedia (as opposed to the web) will need to work together to create utility libraries that are flexible enough to support all our disparate visions of possible futures but specific enough that using them isn’t a turing tar-pit.

(Adapted from a thread on mastodon: https://niu.moe/@enkiv2/99270035409991776)

By John Ohno on December 31, 2017.

[Canonical link](https://medium.com/@enkiv2/my-hypermedia- history-11d576ce6dbb)

Exported from Medium on September 18, 2020.

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Political history§

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Quick OmniStage history§

Time for another ‘Enki talks about his failed projects’ storytime corner!


Quick OmniStage history§

Time for another ‘Enki talks about his failed projects’ storytime corner!

Around late 2006, I had this idea of how to ‘solve the IoT privacy problem’ & do ubiquitous computing with cheap consumer hardware.

Basically, the idea was that you’d have a hardware dongle that was your input device and contained your settings (or information about how to retrieve your settings/preferences from elsewhere). This dongle would be totally passive until you enabled it.

The idea is, you can identify a space where you can connect to a ubiquitous computing environment, and then you need to make a conscious decision to trust that space — one that corresponds to a contract with that space. (Basically — within reason, I trust this space to not fuck me over, and allow it in turn to access and modify my settings on my behalf.) This space is literally a building. Like, with a bunch of projectors in it. I wanted to replace cybercafes with collaborative public computing spaces.

This project was stuck in a conceptual phase until early 2007, when 3rd party clones of the wiimote became cheap and widespread, and open source wiimote interface libraries proliferated.

Then I made prototypes using the wiimote as input device.

What I was going for was something like what Alan Kay & Brett Victor are doing with dynamaland: you’d have a big communal space with big wall-sized screens & people could let each other collaborate by sharing write access to what they were working on. So it was going to be geared toward creative workplaces of the type they show in ads. (I didn’t realize those places were mostly imaginary.)

I actually gave a lightning talk at CFP 2008 about this. (I spoke right after moot.)

Killer: multi-pointer X didn’t exist yet, and also the wiimote wasn’t totally passive when not linked. (The wiimote also didn’t have enough space on it to store much, so I was going to have it store an ID & a keypair for accessing encrypted data on Amazon S3. I no longer think this is as good an idea as I did a decade ago.)

In the end, it’s one more project I half-did in high school that I still think is conceptually cool but will never happen.

By John Ohno on January 9, 2018.

[Canonical link](https://medium.com/@enkiv2/quick-omnistage- history-f671f6abd9a0)

Exported from Medium on September 18, 2020.

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reductionist view of history§

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public sphere), visible and invisible use(r)s, present and missing data.

Apart from research, I like #Sewing, #Knitting and #TextileHistory, I garden on my balcony #SmallSpaceGardening and Brittany is my happy place.

#InstanceMove https://t.co/wbdv5IMF4H (2/2)


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We haven’t reached the end of history§

We haven’t reached the [[end of history]].

In 2017 even Fukuyama had a go at becoming an anti-Fukuyamist when he voiced concern for the future of Western democracy, later going as far as to say that socialism “ought to come back” — if only to save capitalism from itself.

– [[Capitalist Catastrophism]]

See [[capitalism will end]] and in fact [[capitalism must end]].

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  • International Association of Time Travelers: Members’ Forum Subforum: Europe – Twentieth Century – Second World War
  • Page 263
  • 11/15/2104
  • At 14:52:28, FreedomFighter69 wrote: Reporting my first temporal excursion since joining IATT: have just returned from 1936 Berlin, having taken the place of one of Leni Riefenstahl’s cameramen and assassinated Adolf Hitler during the opening of the Olympic Games. Let a free world rejoice!
  • At 14:57:44, SilverFox316 wrote: Back from 1936 Berlin; incapacitated FreedomFighter69 before he could pull his little stunt. Freedomfighter69, as you are a new member, please read IATT Bulletin 1147 regarding the killing of Hitler before your next excursion. Failure to do so may result in your expulsion per Bylaw 223.
  • At 18:06:59, BigChill wrote: Take it easy on the kid, SilverFox316; everybody kills Hitler on their first trip. I did. It always gets fixed within a few minutes, what’s the harm?
  • At 18:33:10, SilverFox316 wrote: Easy for you to say, BigChill, since to my recollection you’ve never volunteered to go back and fix it. You think I’ve got nothing better to do?
  • 11/16/2104
  • At 10:15:44, JudgeDoom wrote: Good news! I just left a French battlefield in October 1916, where I shot dead a young Bavarian Army messenger named Adolf Hitler! Not bad for my first time, no? Sic semper tyrannis!

At 10:22:53, SilverFox316 wrote: Back from 1916 France I come, having at the last possible second prevented Hitler’s early demise at the hands of JudgeDoom and, incredibly, restrained myself from shooting JudgeDoom and sparing us all years of correcting his misguided antics. READ BULLETIN 1147, PEOPLE!§

  • At 15:41:18, BarracksRoomLawyer wrote: Point of order: issues related to Hitler’s service in the Bavarian Army ought to go in the World War I forum.
  • 11/21/2104
  • At 02:21:30, SneakyPete wrote: Vienna, 1907: after numerous attempts, have infiltrated the Academy of Fine Arts and facilitated Adolf Hitler’s admission to that institution. Goodbye, Hitler the dictator; hello, Hitler the modestly successful landscape artist! Brought back a few of his paintings as well, any buyers?
  • At 02:29:17, SilverFox316 wrote: All right; that’s it. Having just returned from 1907 Vienna where I secured the expulsion of Hitler from the Academy by means of an elaborate prank involving the Prefect, a goat, and a substantial quantity of olive oil, I now turn my attention to our newer brethren, who, despite rules to the contrary, seem to have no intention of reading Bulletin 1147 (nor its Addendum, Alternate Means of Subverting the Hitlerian Destiny, and here I’m looking at you, SneakyPete). Permit me to sum it up and save you the trouble: no Hitler means no Third Reich, no World War II, no rocketry programs, no electronics, no computers, no time travel. Get the picture?
  • At 02:29:49, SilverFox316 wrote: PS to SneakyPete: your Hitler paintings aren’t worth anything, schmuck, since you probably brought them directly here from 1907, which means the paint’s still fresh. Freaking n00b.
  • At 07:55:03, BarracksRoomLawyer wrote: Amen, SilverFox316. Although, point of order, issues relating to early 1900s Vienna should really go in that forum, not here. This has been a recurring problem on this forum.
  • 11/26/2104
  • At 18:26:18, Jason440953 wrote: SilverFox316, you seem to know a lot about the rules; what are your thoughts on traveling to, say, Braunau, Austria, in 1875 and killing Alois Hitler before he has a chance to father Adolf? Mind you, I’m asking out of curiosity alone, since I already went and did it.
  • At 18:42:55, SilverFox316 wrote: Jason440953, see Bylaw 7, which states that all IATT rulings regarding historical persons apply to ancestors as well. I post this for the benefit of others, as I already made this clear to young Jason in person as I was dragging him back from 1875 by his hair. Got that? No ancestors. (Though if anyone were to go back to, say, Moline, Illinois, in, say, 2080 or so, and intercede to prevent Jason440953’s conception, I could be persuaded to look the other way.)
  • At 21:19:17, BarracksRoomLawyer wrote: Point of order: discussions of nineteenth–century Austria and twenty–first–century Illinois should be confined to their respective forums.
  • 12/01/2104
  • At 15:56:41, AsianAvenger wrote: FreedomFighter69, JudgeDoom, SneakyPete, Jason440953, you’re nothing but a pack of racists. Let the light of righteousness shine upon your squalid little viper’s nest!
  • At 16:40:17, BigTom44 wrote: Well, here we frickin’ go.
  • At 16:58:42, FreedomFighter69 wrote: Racist? For killing Hitler? WTF?
  • At 17:12:52, SaucyAussie wrote: AsianAvenger, you’re not rehashing that whole Nagasaki issue again, are you? We just got everyone calmed down from last time.
  • At 17:22:37, LadyJustice wrote: I’m with SaucyAussie. AsianAvenger, you’re making even less sense than usual. What gives?
  • At 18:56:09, AsianAvenger wrote: What gives is everyone’s repeated insistence on a course of action which, even if successful, would only save a few million Europeans. It would be no more trouble to travel to Fuyuanshui, China, in 1814 and kill Hong Xiuquan, thus preventing the Taiping Rebellion of the mid–nineteenth century and saving fifty million lives in the process. But, hey, what are fifty million yellow devils more or less, right, guys? We’ve got Poles and Frenchmen to worry about.
  • At 19:01:38, LadyJustice wrote: Well, what’s stopping you from killing him, AsianAvenger?
  • At 19:11:43, AsianAvenger wrote: Only to have SilverFox316 undo my work? What’s the point?
  • At 19:59:23, SilverFox316 wrote: Actually, it seems like a pretty good idea to me, AsianAvenger. No complications that I can see.
  • At 20:07:25, Big Chill wrote: Go for it, man.
  • At 20:11:31, AsianAvenger wrote: Very well. I shall return in mere moments, the savior of millions!
  • At 20:14:17, LadyJustice wrote: Just checked the timeline; congrats on your success, AsianAvenger!
  • 12/02/2104
  • At 10:52:53, LadyJustice wrote: AsianAvenger?
  • At 11:41:40, SilverFox316 wrote: AsianAvenger, we need your report, buddy.
  • At 17:15:32, SilverFox316 wrote: Okay, apparently AsianAvenger was descended from Hong Xiuquan. Any volunteers to go back and stop him from negating his own existence?
  • 12/10/2104
  • At 09:14:44, SilverFox316 wrote: Anyone?
  • At 09:47:13, BarracksRoomLawyer wrote: Point of order: this discussion belongs in the Qing Dynasty forum. We’re adults; can we keep sight of what’s important around here?
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Working Class History§

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