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[[2022-05-19]]
- [[jerry michalski]]
  - Grew up in [[Lima]] and then [[Buenos Aires]]!
  - Buenos Aires in the 1960s!
  - The status of [[South America]] and [[Africa]].
  - The role of the [[catholic church]] in the problems of the continent.
    - [[liberation theology]]
    - [[curas tercermundistas]]
    - [[bergoglio]]
- [[sj]]
  - brother in [[Santiago]] :) (not my brother)
- -> [[jerry’s brain]] [[cybersyn]] [[salvador allende]]
  - #book [[overthrow]]
how do we frame this conversation?
- we have a lot of things we could talk about, what’s a nice useful way to start this conversation?
- [[sj]]
  - [[wikilinks everywhere]]
  - [[fellowship]]
  - [[stress testing new technology]] in this space
[[wikilinks everywhere]]
- [[jerry]] how we handle links seems very powerful
  - "how can I be the [[chuck yeager]] of a the new platform"
  - would love to get out of the current tool into something freer
  - [[500000]] nodes, [[1000000]] links
    - [[flancian]] FYI the Agora is small but has 1:4 linking ratio currently
  - "linking freely but not promiscuously helps find things later"
  - [[note taking]] vs [[thebrain]]
    - note taking does happen in the brain
    - but Jerry doesn’t actually use the notes field per se
    - it’s not even outliner mode: it’s an actual graph that Jerry navigates dynamically
      - what about the time dimension?
      - [[thebrain]] timestamps everything, but it’s not really retrievable via an API
    - wish: interop between tools that support every useful workflow
  - #push [[open global mind]] group, every Thu there is a check in call, as an example of taking notes here
[[thebrain]]
- Jerry’s their largest user.
- Has never paid for it.
- Freeing Jerry’s Brain
  - what else might we do with the structure that it’s easy for him to capture / has been captured?
  - Exploring migration to other platforms.
- Asked for an [[rss]] feed twenty years ago (!)
- No other tool seems to be up to the task of migrating to it.
- Export is a [[json]] dump
  - Has imported it into a [[nosql]] database ~1y ago
  - Some thoughts are [[private]] though, which adds some complexity. Those need to be filtered out.
- Would love to offer his brain to others to take a snapshot and start building on it.
  - [[sj]] [[huggingmind]]?
    - [[content hash]] based tools have failed so far
    - if you get into [[decentralized sharing]], there are:
      - [[named based models]]
      - [[content hash models]]
        
        no clustering, no updates, need to solve equivalence and relationships in a different level (ipfs has ipdns)
    - both of these are missing the higher level point: what humans want to share is [[concepts]]
      - "you want the latest [[human genome]]"
      - "you want to find a map of [[charging stations]]"
        
        it’d make sense to compose canonical lists at different levels (city, region, global)
      - [[coordination problem]]
      - [[hashtags]] as an example of grassroot technology
      - [[wikilinks]] as acceptable search queries for whatever you’re trying to store
        
        [[metasj]] [[chatoyancy]]
      - [[query based event addressing]]
        
        [[search engine company]] experimented with crowdsourced query editing
        
        Jerry: "do you have any other [[vector]] into it"
- [[flancian]] have you done a [[mindmeld]] with someone else?
  - Jerry knows one more advanced user, but [[thebrain]] doesn’t offer any way to do this
  - the exported bag of [[json]] objects is available, people are interested
  - [[free jerry’s brain]] group, meets Mondays at 1PM Pacific, part of [[open global mind]]
  - also [[mattermost]] has a channel dedicated to it
  - [[peter kaminski]]
  - where to chat?
    - https://chat.collectivesensecommons.org/agora/tips
    - [[matrix]]
    - [[google groups]]
    - [[fellowship of the link]]
  - [[zsolt]] did a [[excalidraw]] + [[obsidian]] mashup
    - "https://www.linkedin.com/in/zsolt-viczian/ TheBrain-like graph-based navigation in Obsidian with Excalidraw, Dataview, and Hover Editor (V2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plYobK-VufM"
    - [[metasj]]: [[bretv]] is great and would be a good addition to these conversations
  - a healthy way forward is to have a series of design sessions for the interop ecosystem, identify components, identify the pieces that will make it easy for others to adopt the system and get value from it
  - [[jerry]] [[Rel8]] Use Cases: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWkwOefBPZY
  - Jerry: "sharing our notes to fix civilization"
  - Replacing [[powerpoint]] with better storytelling tool
    - [[prezi]] was great and then regressed :(
    - there’s an opportunity in this space
    - [[powerpoint killers]][
    - [[samuel]] [[h5p]]
  - [[jerry]]
    - #push [[dxos]]
      - https://dxos.org/
      - https://github.com/dxos
    - [[codex editor]] == [[codex]] in the Agora
questions:
- chat platform: [[mattermost]] or something else?
- [[open]] by default or not?
  - open
- build conceptual outline
  - [[google doc]]?
  - [[node]] it?
- think about [[diversity]]
- meet again in 1w/2w? on https://meet.jit.si/fotl
start an [[awesome foundation]] chapter?
- [[wikimedia]] has a grants program for experiments, but they are grant-like and larger
- [[public bounties]]?
  - what’s a good platform for bounties?
  - [[samuel]] [[expensify]] is a good example
- [[building bridges]]

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