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[[2022-11-13]]
See also: https://doc.anagora.org/synthesis-infrastructures-group
Attended the breakout room for [[social synthesis]], see Agora notes.
[[Breakout rooms]] synthesis (in common)
- someone asked about [[commmons]] that have scaled well, good question
- [[Silvia Bessa]]
  - [[patterns]] for [[incentivizing synthesis]]
    - [[authors]]
    - something based on [[model cards]]
    - [[patterns languages]]
      - https://synthesis-infrastructures.wiki/Social_Systems
      - [[scrum patterns]] used [[towns, buildings, construction]] as reference
    - [[angelina lesnikova]] how to properly do metrics for incentivization?
    - [[flancian]] [[agora]] :)
    - [[jonny]]
      - [[private bitcoin trackers]] — what do they do right?
      - [[p2p]] systems that are self sustaining
        
        they make it a social process
        
        they have a role to play: overlays that require an additional effort
        
        independence or interdependence with a [[credit assignment system]]
      - #al decision making, giving it as a right to the community
      - [[ronen tamari]] how platforms capture data that could be used to do [[credit assignment]], reclaiming this data for the community
      - #al [[funding]] has been one of the leading incentive mechanisms
- [[martin karlsson]] on [[social systems]]
  - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g1V4WKKmIaEajC9AW9fdbqOnTd7joaasc-AjFDYNC5o/edit?usp=sharing
  - https://synthesis-infrastructures.wiki/Social_Systems
  - but notes presented are in a [[google doc]]
  - arriving at alignment
  - incentivizing succesfully changing our minds
  - do we need a license or agreement?
  - "what is the linked data"? (what is the work?)
  - [[jay]]: [[evidence map]], recognizing people, recognition tiers
    - [[res cognito]]
- [[jonny saunders]] on [[social synthesis]]
  - [[ronen tamari]]
    - helping scholars find each other’s work
    - curating content
    - micro contributions to discourse
    - sharing attention or endorsement
    - it’s hard to currently find all meta (e.g. reviews, comments, annotations) for a given resource
    - "given some URL or ar reference for a paper", give me all X related to it/aggregate them
    - [[minimum viable product]] that could arise:
      - notes that researchers take while they do (read) research
      - [[flancian]] https://hypothes.is is doing well in this space
- #push [[michael toomim]] recognizing entities/short names in [[mastodon]], [[jonny saunders]]‘s work on [[wiki bot]] and dumping to [[semantic media wiki]].
  - [[braid]] (!)
  - Michael ~ https://github.com/toomim -> https://braid.org, very cool, I was tracking it
- [[jonny saunders]]
  - what is some way of accessing and providing linked data directly in [[mastodon]]?
  - [[amy]] some external link resolving
  - https://masto.synthesis-infrastructures.wiki is an experimental [[mastodon]] instance for the wiki
  - their approach uses [[jonny:wiki:foo]] for writing to [[foo]] IIUC
  - [[semantic mediawiki]] uses a [[property::object]] scheme
- [[amy zhang]] created something complementary to [[jonny]]‘s!
  - [[bot]] approach
  - something that can bootstrap off what people are already doing — what’s the least extra that they can do?
  - trying to bootstrap from paper announcements
  - if someone makes an announcement post of their paper, if they add an identifier in it in the form (username:string)
  - the bot will respond to that post with a link to the announcement and the original paper announcement of the paper
  - see https://masto.synthesis-infrastructures.wiki/@Synthbot/109335372976261537
  - using social more as a [[primary data store]]
  - [[joel chan]] do you think this can be trialed in [[unsure]]?
  - [[amy zhang]] how to agree on hashtags/short forms/ways to identify papers?
  - [[flancian]] [[wikilinks]]
  - [[sam klein]] are you thinking of keeping a separate index of hashtags somewhere?
  - [[toomin]] no good database yet
- [[wayne lutters]] environmental components that enable shared models — [[interdisciplinary models]]
  - https://synthesis-infrastructures.wiki/Interdisciplinary_Models
  - making X machine readable/useful
  - https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc0WxcL-EgaKXtwhu9ydiYTFzKjvT9K7VPjqqPRrDWMPHsQ9Q/viewform?usp=sf_link
  - [[pater murray-rust]] (has a lovely [[quixote]] drawing in the background))
    - dataset in [[pdf]]
    - used [[obsidian]], got excited about the possibilities
    - would like to convert to [[markdown]]
    - https://github.com/petermr/semanticClimate
    - [[joel chan]] https://github.com/joelchan/semantic-climate-dg
  - [[wayne lutters]]
    - [[preservation]] after projects complete
    - solving your projects in the future; our future selves as the audience -> [[ellie desota]]
  - [[ellie desota]]
    - revisiting past projects, process
    - e.g. doing a [[literature review]]
    - [[semantic bibliography]] -> [[living bibliography]]
    - [[eventual realizations]], a machine could bring in new projects and papers on the field you’re interested in
    - (comment from jonny: it doesn’t make sense that every introduction is written from scratch)
    - seeing the [[evolution of the question]]
    - [[negative]] or [[zero]] cost to enable our future selves
  - [[meta science]] level and object science level
    - [[wayne lutters]] would love to be a [[bridge]]
      - if you have research that wants to be public, please share it
      - if you know systems or approaches, please share them
      - if you know narratives about why someone should do this, please share them
  - [[matthew evans]]
    - [[utopian ideals]] that could be achieved with these tools
    - [[federated repositories]] over siloes
    - "if you add it to the federation, it can be discovered"
    - better examples than "efficiency" are welcome
- [[interfaces]] https://synthesis-infrastructures.wiki/Interfaces
  - [[pao siangliulue]]
    - which kind of synthesis-friendly interfaces can you build?
    - interview people from this workshop on how they do their [[synthesis]]?
    - working on a [[diagram]]
  - [[arthur perret]]
    - https://www.arthurperret.fr/articles/2022-11-13-researchers-needs-and-options-for-collaborative-synthesis.html
    - [[sharing screen]]
      - (wow, nice site; reminds me of [[gwern]]‘s)
    - #push [[synthesis]]
      - [[summarized knowledge]] "if researchers are lucky, they might come across a published synthesis that is both on topic, with sufficient coverage, and up to date"
      - [[process]] of constructing new [[knowledge]]
      - the latter as larger question
      - [[needs]]
        
        under-developed, but cites [[the handbook of science and technology]]
        
        (wow, nice numbered sections/index on this site)
        
        [[ways to work with materials]]
        
        shift from [[publication]] to a finer level of granularity
        
        (had to take a toilet break here!)
        
        [[write in a scientific way]]
        
        missed because of the above, will read
        
        [[ways to navigate complexity]]
        
        idem
      - [[pooja upadhyay]]
        
        miro map of [[processes]], [[nuances]] and [[tools]] supporting these processes (!)
        
        looks amazing — https://miro.com/app/board/uXjVO7IFHEQ=/ (it seems, typed)
        
        [[discovery]]
        
        [[filtering]]
        
        goinb back to marked information
        
        (in between) [[writing notes]]
        
        [[processing]]
        
        [[annotation]]
        
        genesis of shared
        
        identifying [[gaps]]
        
        [[synthesis]]
        
        more [[interconnection]]
        
        developing [[shared taxonomies]]
        
        [[output]]
        
        some sort of [[collaborative writing]]
        
        [[google docs]]
      - [[pao siangliulue]] will try to publish or write an article about the outcome
        
        [[joel chan]] wants to join forces ;)
      - [[jordan wick]]
        
        a [[sketch]] to link paper annotation and twitter/mastodon
        
        [[paper]]
        
        [[twitter]] and [[mastodon]]
        
        https://jon-e.net/infrastructure/#rebuilding-scientific-communication
- [[discourse modeling]]
  - [[karola kirsanow]]
    - https://synthesis-infrastructures.wiki/Discourse_Modeling
    - how do we transform/recompose [[narratives]]?
    - [[the hero’s journey]]
    - understand literature, conversation, science research: the [[discourse graph]]
      - we have seen [[discourse graphs]]… but not many for some reason.
      - most of us have not taken it beyond an individual graph level
        
        one implementation: [[roam research discourse graph]]
      - [[universal federation of discourse graphs]] ~ [[united federation of discourse graphs]]
        
        [[naming]] is necessary for querying
        
        want to implement a particular data model which is documented in the wiki proper
        
        they mention the [[agora]] (!)
      - #push [[agora protocol]]
        
        #meta [[question]] [[claim]] tagging looks very nice
    - stage two of the journey: [[the abyss]]
      - we’re reimplementing so much per tool, why don’t we just rely on mediawiki?
      - but what we’re trying to really build here is a [[process]], a [[pattern language]]
    - [[karola kirsanow]] rocks
  - [[kyle m]]
    - goal for the weekend: work with [[discourse graphs as data]]
    - new to [[sparql]] but is adding a [[tools]] section to the wiki
    - will document how to do [[rdf]] -> [[json jd]] -> [[mathematica]] -> [[querying]]
  - [[konrad hinsen]]
    - [[federated future]]
    - tried annotating on [[mediawiki]] and felt [[friction]]
      - writing tools that enable better annotation during and after writing
    - how can we collaborate on the same graphs and representations given our diversity of backgrounds, the different tags/terminology we’d use?
      - [[agora]]
      - [[everything2]]
      - [[massive wiki]]
  - [[metasj]]
    - on [[naming]] and [[scope]]
    - it starts with: why are we doing this? which kind of discourse would be like to support?
    - we’re doing this so that people working on compatible ideas can find each other and each other’s arguments
    - priority; getting a few hundred discourse graphs, examples of questions that have been answered this way, which of course supports short and long form hypotheses
    - in an example, as we were trying to sketch out a discourse in the wiki, we did this at the level of section headers
    - advantages of systems that support [[transclusion]]
    - [[short hand is used in large contexts]]
  - [[deniz aydemir]]
    - joined late but would like to point out a few salient points
    - konrad mentioned that we need to remember the user perspective, how to meet the user where they are
  - [[karola kirsanow]]
    - call out: if you can annotate your notes with [[discourse graph]] tools, please do so and we’ll try to work on integrating :)
- [[computable graphs]]
  - [[joel chan]]
    - presenting https://synthesis-infrastructures.wiki/Computable_Graphs
    - how do we contextualize databases?
    - what does provenance means for [[knowledge graphs]]?
    - potential of [[nlp research]]
    - [[temporal knowledge graphs]]
    - lots of connections with other groups w.r.t. [[augmenting reading]], [[annotations]]
      - as a teaching tool
      - #push [[annotations]]
        
        [[jonny saunders]] mentioned https://refer.cx on chat
    - presenting [[roam research]] [[megacoglab]] graph
- [[meta]] how to keep momentum from this whole?
  - [[flancian]] [[call to action]] page in the wiki created by Jonny?
  - [[discord by default]]
  - [[martin karlsson]] suggest we use [[research roadmapping]]
  - [[michael toomim]] what are all the different groups?
    - [[metascience group]] for example
    - [[discourse graphing]]
    - [[federation]]
  - [[joel chan]] fill in https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc0WxcL-EgaKXtwhu9ydiYTFzKjvT9K7VPjqqPRrDWMPHsQ9Q/viewform
  - [[metasj]] ~ [[samuel klein]]
    - Potential feature requests for discourse graph schemas, qualifiers/properties/parameters for distinguishing kinds of connections. Where are current discussions happening?
  - [[silvia bessa]] would people like to participate in a second edition of this, maybe physically?
    - many yeses all around :)
  - [[wayne lutters]]
    - for the next 1.5w, there’s a conference ongoing: [[CSCW]] ~ https://cscw.acm.org/2022/
  - [[karola kirsanow]]
    - a [[living project]], would love to see you all again [[virtually or in person]]
- [[jodi schneider]] is here and worked on [[cosma]] with [[guillaume brioudes]]
- #push [[action items]]
  - https://synthesis-infrastructures.wiki/Calls_to_Action
  - reach out to [[wayne lutters]] with narratives/example
  - reach out to [[michael toomin]]
  - [[peter murray rust]]
  - reach out to… lots of people actually, this group is amazing!