• [[vera]]
• [[sutty]]
  • [[cooperativa de diseño]]
  • [[partido pirata]]
    • [[fauno]]
• [[cognacore]]
• [[esalen institute]]
• [[dan whaley]]
  • [[push]] [[i annotate]]
    • [[i annotate 2021]]
• [[mastery]]
• [[unwalled garden]]
• [[midnight run]]
• [[hypha]]
  • [[distributed press]]
• [[google docs]]
• [[do]]

• [[distributed press 2021-05-19]]
• I want to work on [[agora proposal platform]]
• [[agora proposals]] for proposal ideas
• #meetings

  • [[logical tea party]]

    • 2pm

  • Call series about [[distributed press]] and related topics

    • [[hypha coop]] call with [[Paul Frazee]]
    • 8am
    • https://link.hypha.coop/compost-calls
    • https://github.com/hyphacoop/distributed-press-organizing/issues/39
    • Call topics:
      • [[unwalled.garden]]
        • questions
          • how is this similar to/different than [[ctzn]]
      • [[social api]]
        • [[matters.news]]
      • [[indieweb]]

  • Attendees

  • [[flancian]]

  • [[vera]]

  • [[Paul Frazee]]

  • [[benhylau]]

    • gateways can censor content

  • [[guo]]

    • looking at [[ipfs]] or [[hypercore]]
    • [[webmentions]] [[microformats]]

  • [[sutty]]

  • [[fauno]]

    [[ipfs gateways]]

  • [[Paul Frazee]]

    • say you’re [[twitter]], 1000 users.
    • 1000 users only one using service but having to pay for storage/bandwidth of 1000 poor scaling properties
    • gateway not feasible model
    • what are the costs
    • magic of the mesh
    • serverless clients participate in network

  • [[guo]]

    • gateways become the point of failure in a distributed network

  • [[flancian]]

    • subsidies gateway not for profit

      [[beaker]]

  • social network on beaker

  • got discouraged with social networks

    • came back

  • people wanna be able to share around links

  • didn’t have push messaging system

  • take advantage of social graph

  • ux killer

    • people expect to get notifcations from people
    • people need to follow out of band
    • limited push message
    • aggregator service notifications

      • really close to running gateway, running a service

      • let’s just use services

      • take your data and move to other "place"

        [[minimum viable exchange format]]

  • all these technologies converge into this

  • [[indieweb]]

  • [[microformats]]

  • [[minimal social graph]]

    • [[guo]]
      • can be [[ipfs]] can be [[dat]]
      • have to have an aggregator, how do you know if there’s new content
      • how do you do search
      • separate data aggregator and host
    • [[flancian]]
      • [[underlay project]]
    • [[Paul Frazee]]
      • [[data mesh]]
        • basically function like database
          • way for semantic
          • tables in there with universal ide (url based to find schema)
          • universal global data mesh, with global semantics
          • [[governance of the commons]]
    • [[guo]]

      • if we can determine ownership we can help with [[governance]] issue

      • if it’s my data, there is no [[governance]] issue

        [[commons mesh]]

  • how do you end up in a situation where [[governance]] is required

  • what are defaults

  • sign up for first time, what’s being suggested

    [[fatal ambiguity]]

2021-05-19

• [[Free, Fair and Alive]] calls the word [[citizen]] a ‘keyword from a failing era’ and prefers [[commoner]].
  • [[Commoner vs Citizen]]

• 11:56 some ideas from last night
  • website
  • studying
• 12:20 reaching out to others on the internet