• a [[meet]].
  • #pull https://flancia.org/meet pull
    • #go https://meet.evolix.org/flancia
    • #oldgo https://meet.evolix.org/flancia-meet
    • #oldoldgo https://meet.framatalk.org/flancia-meet
    • #older https://meet.jit.si/flancia-meet
    • or just open the video stoa in this node in whichever [[Agora of Flancia]] you’re in :)
  • #doc https://doc.anagora.org/flancia-meet?edit pull
  • Recurring, just show up if interested :) I attend often but not always.
  • We take notes in the Stoa or sometimes in the Agora at large (in [[journal]] entries).
    • See also other node: [[flancia meet notes]]
  • No [[fomo]], no [[stress]]! With [[loving kindness]]!
    • [[Saturdays]] usually around [[11AM UTC]]

[[Dramatis personae]] so far, approximate, in alphabetical order

• [[bouncepaw]]
• [[flancian]]
• [[j0lms]]
• [[neil]]
• [[vera]]

• Hosted on [[jitsi meet]]: https://meet.jit.si/flancia-meet

[[2023-11-25]]

• [[j0lms]]
  • [[gwern]] on [[inclusionism]]
  • [[mediawiki]]
    • [[jimbo wales]]
      • [[ayn rand]]
    • [[frustración]] vs [[satisfacción]] de preferencias
    • [[gramsci]]
    • [[claudia goldin]] y [[human capital]]
    • [[optimismo]] [[pesimismo]]
      • [[maximalismo del optimismo]]
    • [[leonor silvestri]]
      • [[Qué hacer]] :)
        • Crítica de [[Lenin]]
    • [[milei]] vs [[maduro]]
      • [[el estado mágico]]
      • [[maldición holandesa]]
    • [[marxian]] == [[marxiano]], [[marxianismo]]
    • [[nobuo okishio]]
      • graph on [[scale of cooperation]] / [[labor productivity]]
      • [[1976]] [[The Theory of Accumulation]]
        • [[marxian]] "la tasa de ganancia no baja como dice marx; sólo incrementa porque la matriz de commodities tiene sólo valores positivos"
        • la conclusión de okiyo: la ganancia sólo sube
    • [[spritz]] y sus patentes
    • [[Arthashastra]]
    • [[Bharat Ganarajya]] ~ [[India]]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India pull
    • [[Qué hacer]] :)
      • "Agenciar estructuras para-estatales de cooperación."
    • [[Richard Wolff]]
    • [[Deleuze]] [[Guattari]]
      • [[anti natalidad]]
    • [[poemas]] sumarizando con [[Bard]] y [[ChatGPT]]

flancia meet

• [[Flancia Meet 2022-01-08]]

Flancia Meet

• We meet best-effort every Saturday usually around 9 UTC.
• This is where we have community maintained notes :)

[[flancia meet 2024-04-14]]

• [[flancian]] [[bouncepaw]]
• [[flancia meet landing]] works well
  • update flancia.org to point to the landing page
• [[flancia meet]] history
  • a few years old already
  • when did it start? first notes inline here seem from 2022-01 but I think it was earlier
  • a timeline of flancia could be useful?
  • january 8 is the first update of node [[flancia meet]] in [[flancian]]‘s garden
• review of open source competition results
  • [[betula]]
    • 35th place
• [[mycorrhiza]] has great packaging coverage!
  • [[wikimatrix]]
• [[archival]] and [[curation]]
• [[united states]] trip
  • previous one was in [[2022]]
• [[lakomka]]
  • will visit when back in [[Oerlikon]]
    • Örlikon or Œrlikon?
    • Örlikon in Swiss
• [[AI hackathon]]
  • [[Markdown]] as the lingua franca
    • How to teach mycomarkup to AI?
  • 30 people
  • using [[google gemini]] and 1M tokens window
    • “read these two books” and it reads in 30 secs, cool
• [[Agora]]
  • broken in old safari (2020)
  • Agora activity seems relatively down
    • [[flancian]] has been a bit absent due to work + not being home
• [[birthdays]]:
  • [[bouncepaw]]: 9th of April
• [[bouncepaw]]
  • going to [[saint-petersburg]] soon
    • \o/
    • would like to see modern art and spend time with friends
  • got a scholarship
    • \o/
• talking [[cinema]]
  • new [[dune]] 2 is cool

[[flancia meet 2024-03-23]]

• [[flancian]] [[bouncepaw]]
• [[Moscow concert hall attack]] :(
  • [[flancian]] hadn’t heard about this
• [[machine learning]] classes
  • doing [[python]] with [[numpy]]
  • https://www.coursera.org/specializations/machine-learning-introduction as an alternative?
    • [[andrew ng]]
• [[georgian sauces]]:
  • [[ajika]]
  • [[tkemali]]
  • [[satsebeli]]
  • will look for this in [[lakomka]]
• [[internship]]
  • usually putting open source on hold
• [[fediversalists]]:
  • [[fediversalist papers]] by [[darius kazemi]] and [[erin kissane]]
  • on federating [[moderation]] and other [[meta]]
  • [[idea]]
    • on [[group actors]]
    • on publishing updates/deprecation notices to those
    • on using that channel to publish also federation/defederation notices
• [[ozon]] is the [[russian amazon]]
  • bought lens containers
• [[fonts]]
  • [[pt sans]], [[pt serif]], [[pt mono]]
  • [[futura]]
  • [[garamond]]
  • [[marmalade]]:
    • "Spain is famous for its chewing marmalade"

[[flancia meet 2024-03-09]]

• [[flancian]] [[bouncepaw]]
• while waiting for [[flancian]] to come back, [[bouncepaw]] was watching [[compudanzas]] updating the [[uxn]] tutorial:
  • [[twitch]]: https://www.twitch.tv/compudanzas
  • the tutorial: https://compudanzas.net/uxn_tutorial.html
• [[bouncepaw]] has an internship now
  • [[go]] is getting widely used in Russian IT
    • microservices are all the rage now huh
    • [[antigospiel]]
    • https://git.sr.ht/~bouncepaw/betula/tree/master/item/web/handlers.go is where you’d start reading [[betula]] code
  • [[flancian]] wants to pick up [[rust]]:
    • on [[rusty vibes]]
    • and the [[functional phase]]
• [[compudanzas]]
• [[flancian]] hackathon
• [[barcelona]] [[catalonia]]
  • [[separatist movement]]
    • "would be [[heavily outlawed]]"
  • [[swiss]] [[canton]]
    • [[helvetia]]
  • [[russian elections]]
    • in russian there are two words for people
    • [[lyudi]] ~ [[leute]]: https://www.quora.com/Is-the-German-word-Leute-etymologically-related-to-the-Slavic-Lyudi-both-words-meaning-people
    • on the news of [[navalny]] dying
    • on [[systemic change]]
    • on cherrypicking by [[news]] and [[media]]
• [[Silverbullet]]

[[flancia meet 2024-03-02]]

• [[flancian]] doing generally cleanup and planning :)
  • installed [[llm]] CLI by [[simonw]] and had fun after setting up API keys for: [[openai]] [[mistral] [[google]]
  • [[gemini]] was the hardest (needlessly, as usual) because I had to use a VPN to be able to create an API key due to random enterprise-y large-company restrictions

[[flancia meet 2024-02-24]]

• [[flancian]] doing generally cleanup and planning

[[flancia meet 2024-02-17]]

• [[flancian]] waited for [[aldhari]] but he had an issue :(

[[flancia meet 2024-02-03]]

• [[flancian]] [[bouncepaw]]
• [[flancian]]
  • [[hedgedoc]] was down due to no disk left in [[patera]]
  • should enable the free disk script I added to [[thecla]]
    • I did do this eventually ;)
• [[bouncepaw]]
  • tried [[openbsd]]: [[quercus]]
    • good security
    • high-quality [[man]] pages indeed
  • will try [[fedora]] next
  • on [[solaris]] — blast from the past
• [[flancia meet landing]]
  • static page
  • https://doc.anagora.org/flancia-meet-landing?edit#
• [[boris mann]] work:
  • https://fission.codes/
  • https://odd.dev/
• [[local-first]]
• working on [[flancia meet landing]]
  • live on https://flancia.org/meet

[[flancia meet 2024-01-27]]

• [[j0lms]] [[flancian]]
• feliz año nuevo!
• [[chinches]] == [[bed bugs]]
• [[milei]]
• [[elecciones en venezuela]]:
  • [[agosto]]
• [[russian elections]]:
  • [[september]]
• [[the world at war]]
• [[valis]]
• [[ernesto de martino]]
  • [[reencantar el mundo]]
  • [[vervaeke]]
  • [[nyonpa]]
    • [[sadhu]]
    • [[chogyam trungpa
    • [[shambhala]]
    • https://web.archive.org/web/20150311071045/http://www.quietmountain.org/links/teachings/yogi_chen/87.htm
    • [[charvaka]] == [[hindu materialism]]

[[flancia meet 2024-01-20]]

• [[bouncepaw]] [[flancian]]
• [[bouncepaw]]
  • doing chores
  • finishing the exams
  • waiting for [[shawarma]]
• [[flancian]]
  • losing tabs
  • layoffs :(
• plans for the weekend
  • [[bouncepaw]] working on betula today, maybe tomorrow spending time with friends
  • [[bouncepaw]] [[poetry lecture]] and [[boardgames]] on Monday
  • [[bouncepaw]] time with friends
• @bouncepaw@links.bouncepaw.com lost all followers while trying to fix the database
  • resubscribe
    • done!
    • the receiving server must respond to a follow with accept follow — which panda.anagora.org doesn’t do currently
• [[federated search]] seems interesting but not a priority
  • fanning out to ‘friend instances’
  • https://links.bouncepaw.com/tag/federated_search
  • there must be an existing protocol for this? fan out search queries, get back structured URLs directly or as a callback?
• [[opensearch]] sounds fun
  • should add this to [[betula]] and [[mycorrhiza]] too
  • [[chromium]] is a bit of a pain to deal with, but when it works it’s great
• [[flancian]] sharing work plan, fediverse/sqlite/neobooks as per today’s journal
  • [[neobooks]] concept
  • embedding
  • [[oembed]] might have been effectively replaced by [[opengraph]]
  • [[transclusion]] seems key, but [[agora speed]] is probably a painpoint that is relevant — people would not transclude the agora if it’s super slow
    • on the other hand, it should be cached?
• [[federation]] overall is more important than [[federated search]]
  • overlaps with coursework :)
  • [[flancian]] will try to tag along
  • [[activitypub testing]]:
    • official test suite has been dead for at least four years: https://github.com/w3c/activitypub/issues/337
    • https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/the-activitypub-test-suite/290/38 might be an alternative

[[flancia meet 2024-01-13]]

• [[bouncepaw]] [[flancian]]
• [[ramen]]
  • [[japanese noodles]] -> [[chinese noodles]] -> [[xi’an]]
    • interest in [[China]]
    • [[cixin liu]]
    • [[bouncepaw]] read the trilogy, [[flancian]] only the first one
  • returned to [[reading]]
  • [[audiobooks]]
    • [[audible]] is not great but maybe still the best (?)
    • [[librivox]]
      • tried [[middlemarch]]
    • [[yandex plus]] has an audiobook service (300 RUB)
• [[layoffs]], again
  • like a ritual
  • Like [[Moloch]]
• [[echopraxia]]:
  • sequel to [[blindsight]]
  • [[bookwyrm]]
• [[sourcehut]] outage triggered by [[ddos]]
• [[war]] :(
  • [[the world at war]]
  • [[All Quiet on the Western Front]] (2022 film)
  • [[journey to the end of night]]
• [[archival tools]]
  • can they be used for evil?

[[flancia meet 2024-01-05]]

• [[bouncepaw]] [[flancian]]
• [[chinese candy]]
• [[activity pub]]
  • on federating [[betula]] and [[agora]]
  • how do [[boosts]] work?
    • [[announce]] activity
    • the booster publishes an announce which has a copy of the original message or a reference to it
  • [[postmarks]] uses a [[note]] activity for bookmarks, bookmarks are just an href in the message
    • seems like they have no reposts

[[flancia meet 2023-12-30]]

• [[bouncepaw]] [[flancian]]
• [[radiohead]]
  • [[in rainbows]] is bouncepaw’s favorite
  • [[kid a]]
  • [[amnesiac]] is flancian’s favorite
  • [[pablo honey]]
• bouncepaw is going to [[Ufa]] in several hours
• [[napster]]
  • kinda like [[syncthing]]!
  • was used for pirating music
  • then people moved on to: [[emule]] (not so great), [[bittorrent]] (distributed), [[soulseek]] (more in the spirit of Napster)
• flancian’s [[icq]] number is [[47436440]]
  • would like to go back at least for a while to ~2004, when [[pidgin]] ([[gaim]]) could connect to every network anybody used
  • a time of [[open standards]] hopefully also in our future
  • is [[beeper]] the thing?
  • [[enshittifaction of telegram]]
  • [[matrix]] is OK
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teletransportation_paradox
• [[pelmeni]]
• being kind is not easy nor simple
  • but it’s usually constructive/worth a try
• on [[magyar]] in [[bashkortostan]]
• comfort back home
• [[Zelenodolsk]]

[[flancia meet 2023-12-16]]

• [[j0lms]] [[flancian]]
  • el algoritmo -> [[los algoritmos]]
  • lo [[sublime tecnológico]]
  • [[abraham moles]]:
    • [[kitsch]] [[cibernético]]

Later on…

• [[flancian]]
  • testing https://anagora.org/flancia+meet in the Agora
  • Framatalk (meeting name flancia-meet, it doesn’t support pluses or many other characters out of the box) embeds very nicely.
  • I like having the video and the document side by side.
  • will be doing [[agora development]] here for a while

[[flancia meet 2023-12-09]]

• [[bouncepaw]] [[flancian]]
• [[Jules Verne]]
  • [[bouncepaw]] played him in a school play
  • [[flancian]] read him back when he was a kid/young teenager
  • travelling in [[balloon]]
  • [[around the world in 80 days]]
  • [[flancian]] liked that and [[five weeks in balloon]] as a kid
  • [[movies]]:
    • [[lord of the wind]] (2023)
    • [[leviathan]] (2014) <- recommended
• [[Fediverse]]
  • does [[flancian]] read 800 people?
    • nope
    • would like to have +1 for profiles and have that go into weighting
  • [[postmarks]] is like [[betula]]
  • [[repology]] is cool

[[flancia meet 2023-12-08]]

• [[j0lms]]
  • very nice, see [[2023-12-08]]
• [[doing]]:
  • [[rocket links]] could work as [[pulls]]?

[[flancia meet 2023-12-01]]

• [[bouncepaw]] back in university!
  • a lunch:
    • pasta with turkey cutlets
    • bell pepper
      • half a dollar for one pepper!
    • chicory
  • [[dobry cola]]
  • [[belarussian]]
    • [[addis abeba]] band
• [[flancian]] back in non-pain land
• [[uxn legoptics]]
• [[december adventure 2023]]
  • https://eli.li/december-adventure
  • [[flancian]] will also sign up: [[doing]]
• [[java project]]
• [[wintergatan]] [[marble machine]] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvUU8joBb1Q

[[flancia meet 2023-11-18]]

• [[flancian]] back in town!
• [[j0lms]]
  • [[catherine malabou]]
  • [[utilitarismo]]
    • [[conclusión repugnante]]
  • [[utilidad]] como [[antifrustración]]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifrustrationism
  • [[elections]]
    • [[international]]
    • [[venezuelan]]
      • [[maría corina machado]]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar%C3%ADa_Corina_Machado
    • [[the author as producer]]: https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/benjamin/1970/author-producer.htm

[[flancia meet 2023-10-28]] [[2023-11-04]] [[2023-11-11]]

• Hiatus due to holidays :)

[[flancia meet 2023-10-21]]

• [[bouncepaw]] [[flancian]]
• Issues joining this call
  • [[flancian]] had to restart [[chromium]]
  • [[bouncepaw]] now using [[yandex browser]], no way of joining from very outdated [[opera]]
    • turns out that [[yandex browser]] does live dubbing of english videos (!)
    • yandex browser is very popular in Russia
    • it has many features
    • kinda laggy
  • on [[brave]]
    • [[fediversians]] don’t like it because of the crypto and [[Brandan Eich]]
      • he developed [[javascript]] in a very short time
• [[David Revoy]] illustrates free projects
• Switching [[Jitsi]] instance
  • [[Framatalk]]
  • ‘It’s very French but it’s fine’
• [[blog post]] by [[schroeder]]
  • [[writing pages offline]] some of the time: https://alexschroeder.ch/view/2023-10-17-write-offline
  • is [[email]] coming back?
    • on comments through emails
    • on publishing to the agora or betula through email
    • [[flancian]] used [[sylpheed claws]] and [[mutt]]
  • [[bouncepaw]] thinks his writing could be a great addition to the Agora
  • [[wiki culture]] https://alexschroeder.ch/view/2023-10-11-wiki-culture
  • [[inclusionism]] vs [[deletionism]]: https://gwern.net/inclusionism
  • on [[wikia]] being awful
    • [[bouncepaw]] [[minecraft wiki]] went to [[wikia]], became terrible, now moved to https://minecraft.wiki
    • "you look like someone who would like minecraft"
  • what are good [[wiki farms]]?
    • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wiki_hosting_services looks like it could be improved
    • But https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hosting_services looks much better and it’s linked from there.
• what are we up to?
  • [[bouncepaw]] assignment
    • prove that a picture is worth a thousand words :)
    • compare entropy in image and text
    • [[R]] language
  • [[flancian]] [[executable nodes]]
    • compare with 2021 [[dynamic hyphae]] https://mycorrhiza.wiki/hypha/idea/dynamic_hyphae
    • [[prime]]
    • [[hex]]
    • [[dice]]
  • [[entropy]] https://arxiv.org/pdf/0911.2284.pdf
  • [[hypercard]] -> [[decker]]

[[flancia meet 2023-10-14]]

• [[flancian]]
  • doing some trip planning :)
  • [[trip to x]]

[[flancia meet 2023-10-07]]

• [[flancian]]
  • researching [[telescopes]] to start the weekend :)
    • [[refractor]] vs [[reflector]]
    • [[reflectors]] require [[collimation]] but are overall more capable
  • [[layoffs]]
• [[j0lms]]
  • ensayo: [[metamorfosis fenomenológica]]
  • metáforas
    • [[rueda de platón]]
    • [[patlabor]], [[evangelion]]
      • metáfora de la tecnología
      • el [[mecha]] como los medios masivos
      • [[linebarger]] ~ [[cordwainer smith]]
    • <prefix>/[[acc]]
    • [[mark fisher]]
      • comparison with self-immolating monks
        • prefer [[taixu]]
    • #push [[lafargue]]
      • [[right to be lazy]]
  • [[cannabis]] y [[sagan]]
  • grupo de lectura en twitter
    • [[faerie queene]] de [[spenser]]
    • diálogo entre estados personificados
    • alegoría en la poesía como politeísmo sincretizado
• [[brahms]]
  • [[kitsch]] [[camp]] [[sonntag]]
    • https://www.cla.purdue.edu/academic/english/theory/postmodernism/terms/camp.html
    • https://www.cla.purdue.edu/academic/english/theory/postmodernism/terms/kitsch.html
• sobre [[lenin]] y la violencia
  • puede ser shockeante :)
  • sobre la comuna de parís
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_State_and_Revolution

[[flancia meet 2023-09-30]]

• [[j0lms]] [[flancian]]
• [[check ins]]
  • [[social dilemma]]
    • [[genocide in myanmar]] and [[meta]]‘s role
    • [[memes]] violentos
  • [[memes]] constructivos
  • sobre los canales por los que fluyen los memes
  • existe gente joven que ve televisión?
    • en algunos lugares sí.
  • the case of [[orthonormalist]]

[[flancia meet 2023-09-25]]

• [[j0lms]] [[bernardo]]
  • [[migración]]
  • [[currículum]] [[analítico]] [[pasaporte]] [[título]] [[certificados]] debidamente [[apostillado]] [[legalizado]]
  • requisitos para visado de estudio https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eZtX8_nRZmMpbQ9gp4N89xSVBNujM0yV/view?usp=sharing
  • [[junta de andalucía]] https://www.juntadeandalucia.es/economiaconocimientoempresasyuniversidad/sguit/?q=masteres
    • búsqueda laboral limitada al área de estudios
    • visa por búsqueda de trabajo después del master
  • [[portugal]] [[manifestación de interés]]
  • [[irlanda]] [[visa por estudios]]
  • [[nueva zelanda]] [[visa de trabajo]]
  • [[australia]]
    • [[work and holiday visas]]

[[flancia meet 2023-09-23]]

• [[flancian]]
  • [[bouncepaw]] told me about https://code.avito.ru during the week, trying it.

[[flancia meet 2023-09-09]]

• [[j0lms]] [[flancian]]
• sobre fases edgy :)
• perspectiva surglobalista
• [[prompting of creativity]], an essay
  • [[plusvalía de creatividad]] ~ [[creativity plusvalue]]
• (lots of good discussion + links here)
• (a break)
• [[bouncepaw]] joins!
  • migraines
  • impressive news!
    • 22 - waking up without alarm clock
  • [[chinese tea house]]
  • travel by train
    • in russia
    • -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Railway_Bazaar

[[flancia meet 2023-09-02]]

• tried another VC platform but it wasn’t very featureful yet (maybe because it’s a demo)
• [[bouncepaw]]
  • interview at end of Sep
  • six months of work/internship would cover rent for many semesters
  • going through emails
• [[flancian]]
  • will try to focus on some small items this weekend/cleanup
  • found a [[PR]] thanks to bouncepaw’s mentions of emails
• servers
  • bouncepaw has a 1 GB server
  • got access to flancian’s servers
• [[flancian]] wants to run a [[gotosocial]] instance

[[flancia meet 2023-08-12]]

• Health
  • Dentist issues
  • [[Insomnia]]
    • Comes and goes
    • Six hours today
• [[ActivityPub]]
  • [[betula]] https://excalidraw.com/#room=3ff78d03b83cabe946dd,I0ETyCy4uNqW8gXp9O8Q_A
  • [[agora]] https://excalidraw.com/#room=f01087723da957c54b37,lasfWvbHt2SGVw5uoB7niQ
  • [[announce]] activities in ActivityPub mean [[boosts]]
    • Takes a pointer to a different activity or URL
  • [[undo/announce]] would be published when a boost is undone
  • [[note]] or [[article]]? the eternal question which likely doesn’t matter
  • [[follow]] for subscriptions
• on [[lemmy]]
  • what do they use? note or article? https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/blob/main/migrations/2019-03-03-163336_create_post/up.sql
  • https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/blob/main/crates/apub/src/activity_lists.rs
  • [[kbin]]
  • [[azoreus]] (sp?)
• [[federation.md]] file
  • we will totally have one of these in [[betula]] and [[agora]]
• [[j0lms]]‘s [[emacs distribution]]
  • [[voidmacs]]!
  • there’s also a [[void linux]]

[[flancia meet 2023-07-29]]

• Haircuts
  • both used to have long hair at some point
• [[bouncepaw]]
  • comic can be turned in as is, but polishing for a better result
    • [[the lower tier]]
    • takes place in a great megastructure city
      • lower tier, machines
      • habitable tier, people
      • cosmo tier, for transportation
    • a journey into the lower tier to find a lost book
  • [[flancian]] made me think of:
    • [[time machine]] by [[h g wells]]
    • [[flashback]], old computer game
  • takeaways from doing a comic
    • shouldn’t have done it in paper first, extra work with little benefit
    • fully digital panels are better
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew%27s_harp
  • [[I am a strange loop]]
    • scales for consciousness/soul
      • estimating the number of categories that can be perceived/thought about
      • [[huneker scale]]
      • [[low resource text classification]] https://links.bouncepaw.com/448 ~ [[448]] -> https://aclanthology.org/2023.findings-acl.426 -> https://kenschutte.com/gzip-knn-paper/
        • [[marcus hutter]]
        • [[pareto efficiency]]
    • "souls: a little needed feature"
• no [[soul]] in the Agora
  • …or is there? :)
  • backlinks, etc.
• [[agora chapter]] in [[pkg book]]
  • have it on kindle but I haven’t read it yet! maybe in August

[[flancia meet 2023-07-15]]

• On exploring unknown parts of a town :)
• [[Arcologies]]
  • Bouncepaw started writing a novel when he was 12, [[tricube]], which had structures like this
• [[bouncepaw]]
  • Finishing a comic this July
  • Focusing in [[cyberrachael]]
• [[Ufa]] is in [[Bashkortostan]]

[[flancia meet 2023-07-08]]

• Attending: [[bouncepaw]] [[flancian]]
• [[nethack]]
  • [[roguelikes]]
  • [[rpgs]] with optional conducts — like [[deus ex]]
  • [[undertale]]
• [[bouncepaw]]
  • completed second year!
  • passed important exam with a 4 (which is good)
  • rules changed for one exam at the last minute
• [[flancian]]
  • Lake Constance: https://goo.gl/maps/hNJsEzt2mmXWPHkW9
  • Greece for two weeks
  • Turned 40 recently
• [[betulagora]]
  • what’s next?
    • automatic sync
    • issue with empty nodes

[[flancia meet 2023-06-17]]

• Attending: [[bouncepaw]] [[flancian]]
• #push [[blame]] film and manga
  • pronounced more like [[blam]]
  • [[pipepunk]]
  • https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6574146/
  • https://blame-manga.com/manga/blame-chapter-1/
• [[letsencrypt]]
  • [[coop cloud]] handles it for you via [[traefik]]
  • [[caddy]] also!
• upcoming work/fun
  • [[betulagora]]
    • need to set up recurring updates
    • Flancian betulized
    • [[bookmarklet]] acquired
  • [[mycomarkup]]
    • working in Agora!
    • degrades to markdown rendering if the mycomarkup binary is not found
• [[grim fandango]]
• [[flancia]]
  • had fun saving tabs to [[betula]]!
    • the [[betula experience]] :)
  • [[mohammed]]
  • [[taixu]]
  • [[I am a strange loop]]

[[flancia meet 2023-06-10]]

• Attending: [[bouncepaw]] [[flancian]]
• Flancian turned on the camera and left
  • 8 minutes on the balcony
  • Then he walked with a cup
  • Then he had sound issues
  • :D
• Then Flancian showed up after a ping (thanks!) :)
• We want to work on:
  • [[betulagora]]
    • [[mux]] is like [[flask]] for [[golang]]
  • [[mycomarkup support]]
• How to add a user-scoped systemd service
  • mkdir -p ~/.config/systemd/user
  • vi ~/.config/systemd/user/betula.service

[Unit]
Description=Betula, see https://...

[Service]
WorkingDirectory=/home/agora/agora-server
ExecStart=/home/agora/agora-server/run-prod.sh
Restart=always
RestartSec=3

[Install]
WantedBy=default.target

• loginctl enable-linger $USER # needed only once per user, not per service
• systemctl —user enable betula
• systemctl —user start betula
• systemctl —user status betula

[[flancia meet 2023-05-06]]

• Attending: [[bouncepaw]] [[flancian]]
• #push [[spider solitaire]]
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Spider_Solitaire
  • also reminded me of hearts
• [[semester endgame]]
  • assignments become due
  • [[java assignment]]
  • [[matlab assignment]]
  • [[game]]
  • [[neural network]]
  • [[statistics test]]
  • [[calculus]]
• inefficiency of having quiet months and then showdown months
  • this has resulted on holding back on [[betula]]
• #push [[do]]
  • implement [[nodeinfo]] in the Agora
  • #push [[nodeinfo]]
    • https://github.com/jhass/nodeinfo
    • [[betula]] will adopt this
    • protocols supported as of 2.1 "activitypub", "buddycloud", "dfrn", "diaspora", "libertree", "ostatus", "pumpio", "tent", "xmpp", "zot"
    • should [[matrix]] be in the list above?
• aside on [[matrix]] controversy
  • some people don’t like them providing service to governments, police
  • new word: [[fediversians]]
• [[telegram]] vs alternatives
• versioning
  • tending-to-one
    • as https://honk.tedunangst.com/u/tedu/h/KltTfM4NGhNM8PX22Y
    • or maybe the Agora
  • yearly releases
    • issue with vulnerabilities
    • unsure if doing these means actually having to take on more
• [[ludum dare]]
  • [[javascript]] minigames in the Agora
• [[plans]] for the weekend
  • [[bouncepaw]]
    • finish java assignment today

[[flancia meet 2023-05-06]]

• Attending: [[bouncepaw]] [[flancian]]
• #push [[domino]]
  • [[spatial thinking]] [[tool]]
  • https://links.bouncepaw.com/195
• [[dynamic hyphae]]
• [[bouncepaw]] university
  • [[coursework]] ~ [[kursovaya]] upcoming
    • maybe [[mycoverse]] is the focus
    • minimal project: [[betula federation]]
      • add [[friends]] feed to betula
      • probably [[rss]] or [[indieweb microformats]]
      • [[pull based]] vs [[push based]]
    • RSS https://links.bouncepaw.com/digest-rss
      • Subscribe with [[Miniflux]]
    • Works great!
• Flancian style
  • :)
  • maybe half-broken scheduler? or suboptimal
  • [[social coop]] takes time
  • [[meet coop]] and other coop activity
• [[Mycoverse 2023]]
  • [[Betula federation]]
  • [[Mycorrhiza]] publishes [[agora.yaml]]
• [[Agora 2023]]
  • #push [[agora.yaml]]
    • interwiki endpoints
    • known agoras
    • Coworking on it (hard)
• [[bluesky]]
  • [[agora bot]] extension

[[flancia meet 2023-04-01]]

• Attending: [[bouncepaw]] [[flancian]]
• [[bouncepaw]]
  • University
    • Assignments for class: static lexical analyzer
    • [[Betula]]
    • Search query language
      • e.g. operands like -
      • ‘give me betula posts in a certain category but not in this category matching a title and served over gemini’
• [[flancian]]
  • busy these days
  • work
  • [[social coop]]
    • [[coop cloud]]
    • https://recipes.coopcloud.tech/mycorrhiza
      • https://recipes.coopcloud.tech/ is the index
    • https://git.coopcloud.tech/coop-cloud/mycorrhiza/commits/branch/main
    • [[decentral1se]]
  • will add agora to coop cloud, and then use it to set up agor.ai subdomains
    • pros/cons of containers
  • [[open letters]]
• [[finish it jam]]
  • https://merveilles.town/@cblgh/110119148414167675 pull
• [[pkg book]] is done!
  • \o/
• [[2023]]
  • [[mycoverse 2023]]
    • [[friends]] section
    • you can share categories with other mycoverse sites
    • "blurring the boundaries"
    • [[mycomarkup]] as the [[lingua franca]], if not html
  • [[agora 2023]]
    • [[mycomarkup]]
      • using the binary
    • [[html]] subnodes
    • [[interwiki]]
  • how do sites in the mycoverse/agora federation find each other?
    • bouncepaw: allowlist/pull federation, friends circle
  • why federate Agora?
    • strength in diversity
      • you search in Agora A, you also get at least some results (maybe lower) of Agora B .. Z
      • [[federated search]] [[alex schroeder]]
        • https://alexschroeder.ch/wiki/2023-03-07_A_vision_for_search

[[flancia meet 2023-03-18]]

• Attending: [[V]] [[flancian]] [[j0lms]]
• [[flancian]]
  • [[work]]
  • [[layoffs]]
  • [[walkout]]
• [[V]]
  • [[turmoil]]
  • [[practice]]
  • [[mantras]]
    • [[kali]]
      • personification of [[time]]
      • manifestation of [[shakti]]
    • two types of energy in [[hinduism]], usually described as male and female but actually [[inactive]] (ground) and [[active]] (signal)
  • dealing with [[bureaucracy]]
  • [[36]] layers of states of consciousness
• [[numbers]]
• [[docker]] and [[moby]], [[containers]]
• [[amends]] and [[apologies]] in society
  • [[ibm]] collaborated with the nazis, like [[hubo boss]], etc.
  • is there any way apologies are enough? what if they come with reparations to those affected? etc.
  • [[j0lms]] on countries in [[latin america]] asking for apologies from european [[monarchies]]
  • can you forgive some things
    • the case of [[david saavedra]]
    • the case of [[?]] who befriended the [[ku klux klan]]
  • [[campfire networks]]
    • [[bonfire]]
    • [[circles]]
• [[centralized]] vs [[decentralized]] approaches for agora building
  • https://github.com/danaugrs/go-tsne
• [[j0lms]] https://github.com/josiah-wolf-oberholtzer/on-exactitude-in-science

[[flancia meet 2023-03-11]]

• Attending: [[armengol]] [[flancian]]
• Studying [[philosophy]]!
  • very theoretic approach, thinking about applications
  • current subjects around [[history]] -> [[philosophy in the web]]
    • one example in [[2008]] - [[2010]]
    • compatible with note taking, transclusion, etc.
    • very grounded in academy, not product focused
    • #push [[wybo wiersma]]
      • [[logilogi]] by [[wybo wiersma]] et al
      • https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/23280202.live-updates-sentencing-wybo-wiersma-stealing-2-1m-iota-crypto/ (!)
• [[relationship]], [[work]] updates
  • [[agora chapter]]
    • on the pros and cons of bullet points
    • the difficulty of going from bullet points/outliner mode to actual text
      • interesting in two levels:
        • [[structure]]
        • shift in [[meaning]]
• [[ostras]] [[mogollón]]
• [[codenames]]

[[flancia meet 2023-02-11]]

• Attending: [[aldhari]] [[flancian]]
• Plan for [[2023]].
  • Visas
  • Rent
• Options
  • [[Portugal]]
    • rent is higher now
  • [[Spain]]
    • visa is harder
    • Mohammed would prefer Spain if all other things are equal
• Studies
  • [[internet marketing]]
  • [[graphic design]]
  • [[animation]]
  • [[frontend]]
• Previous experience
  • Store keeper
  • Rubber industry
• Next actions
  • Mohammed: Prepare [[CV]]
  • Mohammed: continue working on github.com account
    • https://github.com/mohammedaldhari
    • a git repository is like a folder/directory
    • you keep copies of them locally (in your computer) and synchronize with a git server (like github.com)
  • Mohammed: Write [[plan]] for Spain or Portugal
  • Eduardo: Write [[scholarship grant]]
  • Both: Run through some lawyer
  • Mohammed: get bank account
    • Abu Dhabi bank

[[flancia meet 2023-02-05]]

• Attending: [[neil]] [[flancian]]
• January was birthday season, February is quieter :)

[[flancia meet 2023-02-04]]

• Attending: [[bouncepaw]] [[j0lms]] [[flancian]]
• New official pronunciation of j0lms: Holmes, like Sherlock Holmes.
• Tea and coffee.
  • [[Chamomile]] ~ [[manzanilla]]
  • [[Caffeine]] effect on body
  • Insomnia dangers
  • Trouble with sleeping as endemic?
    • One factor is likely the extra exposure to light due to computers and devices around
    • Maybe also the focus?
• How we use our time / why we stay up :)
  • Mobile devices and snapping out of them
  • Replacement therapy?
    • Keep books around the bed
    • Read books before sleeping
    • Buddhism -> Siddharta
    • #push [[Hermann Hesse]] [[The Glass Bead Game]]
      • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Glass_Bead_Game
      • The ultimate game, art, science
      • Castalia
      • [[Flancian]] Got reminded of [[Seven Days in new Crete]] by [[Robert Graves]]
        • First published in 1949!
      • [[j0lms]] saw it in a list together with other classics like [[a canticle for leibowitz]]
      • [[Flancian]] read [[Steppenwolf]] in his grandfather’s library
      • [[Siddharta]]
        • "tangential Buddhism" while exploring this character
      • On reading and the footprints that book leave in us
      • [[The Portrait of Dorian Gray]]
        • Long descriptions of his falling apart
      • [[Crime and Punishment]]
      • [[The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction]] by [[Walter Benjamin]]
      • [[bouncepaw]] reading [[Busy Doing Nothing]]
    • Timur is 19 (!)
    • On rereading books and essays you’ve read a long time ago
    • [[j0lms]] a game: [[swat 4]]
      • Did not have auth for cd keys, as one of the few games with online multiplayer even if it was pirated.
      • Lying about your age to participate.
    • [[missed connections]]
      • Could we rebuild the social networks that we had and lost by creating a service that lets you find people from long gone networks?
      • [[Nostalghia]] https://anagora.org/nostalghia
        • -> [[Stalker]]
          • -> [[Strugatsky brothers]]
            • [[Monday Starts on Saturday]]
          • [[j0lms]] got to Stalker via the game, came from [[counter strike]]
          • Gaming.
          • Flancian: loved adventure games in the 1990s, and [[simcity]]. Then got back into gaming with [[Half Life]] and Half Life 2.
      • Timur was an avid [[nintendo 3ds]] player. Now playing [[minecraft]] with his friend.
        • Doesn’t like shooting games much, except for [[Portal]]!
        • Folder in computer: [[escapism]].
        • Played [[celeste]] and it sparks something in him.
          • https://store.steampowered.com/app/504230/Celeste/
        • Also 3ds: [[fire emblem]], [[pokemon moon]], [[ocarina of time]] (remaster), [[mystery dungeon]] (roguelike).
      • Procedurally generated, open world vs linear story
      • [[Cyber cafes]] in the 00s
    • [[FOTL]] and [[interwiki links]]
      • Because URLs exist already and they work, we need to justify the addition of interwiki links
    • [[wikilinks]] do not make wikis.
      • [[betula]] website uses wikilinks, but is no wiki: https://betula.mycorrhiza.wiki
    • What is massive about [[massive wiki]]? It’s its massive intentions!
    • What do we think about the [[indieweb]]?
      • It’s cool and large
      • "Own your identity" is important, but…
      • [[Timur]] likes its [[micro formats]] and [[inter site communication]]
        • [[Betula]] produces [[indieweb microformats]]
        • Took 20 minutes to add! And now potentially thousands of people can reblog
        • Can we build [[mycoverse]] on top of [[indieweb]], developing new microformats
      • #push [[do]]
        • [[Timur]] believes we should add [[microformats]] to [[agora]]
          • [[h-entry]] for chronological content
          • [[h-feed]] is a collection of [[h entries]]
    • [[agora 2023]]
      • more formats
        • [[mycomarkup]]
          • unlike [[markdown]], it is developed by basically one person
            • [[markdown]] is an [[anarchist]] [[markup language]]
        • [[argdown]]
        • [[gemtext]]
        • maybe [[html]] as the intermediate format that [[agora bridge]] produces when it detects that a consumed item is not ready to be served by agora server?
      • more sources
        • not only pulling from git
        • could use microformats to understand where everything is
        • [[agora.yaml]] could be a manifest
      • [[block protocol]]? https://blockprotocol.org
    • [[mastodon]]
      • on the signup experience
        • [[mastodon app]] on android is pretty good at this
        • now we have joinmastodon.org which is pretty good too, but very mastodon specific
        • it’s very much not about the wider fediverse
      • engagement and discoverability
        • discovery is hard
        • the maybe over-stressing of mastodon in everything mastodon related w.r.t. the wider [[fediverse]]
        • we want [[pluralism]], but [[mastodon]] is a bit of a monoculture currently?
    • [[betula]] release announcement
      • easier to type than [[mycorrhiza]]

[[flancia meet 2023-01-07]]

• Attending: [[bouncepaw]] [[flancian]] [[j0lms]]
• USB Type-C compabitibility
  • The computer in the charger negotiates with your device.
• [[Vernor Vinge]] story about many levels of virtual machines in the far future, backwards compatibility.
• [[University]]
  • Timur: two types of exams in Russia. Call them exams and pseudo-exams.
    • From September to December there is a ‘semester’ with pseudo-exams.
    • Then a break to prepare for the real exam, next exam in three days (!).
    • [[Calculus]], [[Probability Theory]], [[Mathematical Logic]], [[OOP]].
  • Staying in [[Ufa]] for the New Year break, leaving in 2 days
    • -25ºC right now but it feels like -30ºC (!)
  • Studying in [[Kazan]], Masters degree probably elsewhere?
  • Possible Masters:
    • [[Economics]]
      • Money as a tool.
      • [[Sapiens]].
      • [[Homo Deus]] -> [[Things to do after Agora Chapter]] (that’s tomorrow)
    • [[Computer Science]], the same topic as Bachelor
• Best [[Marvel]] characters: [[Iron Man]] and [[Spider Man]]
• Games
  • [[Return to Monkey Island]]
  • [[Celeste]]
• On [[leadership]]
  • Correlations
• [[Flancia Chronicles]] as a [[Prophecy]]
• Discussing [[Agora Federation]]
  • [[allowlist]] vs [[blocklist]]
  • hybrid with [[webmentions]]
• [[Betula]]
  • Demo
    • [[go links]]
  • Will get pull-based [[federation]]
  • Then [[Mycorrhiza]] will get it
  • Which will lead to [[Mycoverse]] :)
• An [[NFT]] and [[blockchain]] discussion

#push [[flancia meet 2022-10-29]]

• Attending: [[bouncepaw]] [[handlerug]] [[flancian]]
• [[bouncepaw]] Crazy week, lots of social activity, but nice
  • [[merveilles migration]]
    • https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/merveille
  • https://merveilles.town/@bouncepaw
  • will try the migration flow tonight
  • user information is updated daily ([[handlerug]] read the code); now a new user has been fetched, you need to wait ~1d for it to be refetched
  • TLDR: set up redirection first, then make the last post on the old profile (in future migrations)
  • pronounced close to [[mahr vei]]
• [[flancian]] [[agora chapter]] is current focus for this weekend
  • also [[social coop]] admin / on call
  • broken registration flow because of spam trap
  • https://social.coop/about
  • [[spam trap]] was triggering
    • hidden field, supposed to be left empty
    • but the field was named ‘surname’
    • so autocomplete engines were triggering and filling it in, thus making it trigger for normal users
• [[in the arcades]] is a good [[hypertext]] book
• [[planning]] the weekend :)
  • [[bouncepaw]]
    • assignments
      • calculus: Gotta prepare for the pseudo-exam, don’t wannaaaaa
      • creativity: I don’t like the assignment, might ignore it
        • enough credits
      • english: Done already
      • mathematical logic: Will ignore
      • probability theory: I didn’t take the copybook here, so I can’t do it (what a shame)
      • object oriented programming: Don’t wanaaaaa, I hate Visual Studio aaaa
        • issues with hardware / memory limitations
    • finish the merveilles migration
    • work on [[mycorrhiza]]!?
      • haven’t really put a lot of effort in two months
  • [[flancian]]
    • [[agora chapter]] in good shape by tomorrow night, hopefully by tonight
    • two feature requests
      • [[interwiki]] support in anagora.org
        • -> hopefully by mid November
        • [[bouncepaw]] [[jonny]] tried using the colon syntax with the bot at some point
          • https://social.coop/@jonny/109135233389666304 pull
          • https://lor.sh/web/@jonny@social.coop/109135233647883067
          • meta: is there full text search in mastodon?
          • none that we’ve found to work widely, would be interested in finding one or solving this
      • write a long form answer to [[bouncepaw]]‘s great questions about the future that were asked in private messages :)
    • [[agora ux improvements]]
      • I have a laundry list of small improvements to the UI that I hope to start going through
    • [[agora bot]] has some bugs
      • might fix them? like hashtag handling
      • then try to move to writing through api.anagora.org
  • [[handlerug]]
    • #push [[ragamuffin]] is an [[activity pub]] gateway
      • [[golang]]
        • [[harelang]] wouldn’t work for that
      • [[bouncepaw]] came up with the name!
      • something like [[GoToSocial]]? https://docs.gotosocial.org/en/latest/
      • trying to defrag identity in the fediverse
      • [[solid]] related? ([[tim berners lee]]‘s project)
      • consists of an identity server (OAuth2 and ActivityPub provider) and multiple frontends
      • [[indieweb]] related? initially meant to be a microblogging server
      • could be an identity provider for anagora.org
      • related: https://microblog.pub
      • [[webfinger]]: https://indieweb.org/WebFinger
• [[html]] tag <details>
  • good for UI!
• [[handlerug]]
  • in maybe temporary location, liking [[Istanbul]]
  • many friends are attending university back in Russia and that should be safe for them; drafting is very rare for university students
  • IT workers do get drafted often (in 2022) but it doesn’t usually happen with students
• [[flancian]] know first and second-order Russian friends in Turkey, Israel

#push [[flancia meet 2022-09-24]]

• Attending: [[bouncepaw]] [[flancian]]
• [[computer typesetting]] course
  • [[Microsoft Word]]
  • [[latex]] ~ [[LaTeX]]
• [[planning]]
  • [[agora bridge]]
    • -> fix twitter bot, refactor (ideally with code sharing between [[mastodon]] and [[twitter]])
    • -> bring up one API method, likely to write to a node (so agora server ui can write through the api)
  • [[agora server]]
    • [[canonical nodes]] -> move to + / urlencoded across the board (would like to discuss)
    • fix bug with wikipedia [[autopull]] (do not pull if the user has pulled already, I knew this didn’t work but I coded it lazily anyway)
  • [[agora]]
    • update [[hypatia]] (agor.ai)
    • bring up another Agora (which one? shamanic? but I don’t have repositories for that from the group yet? zero precedent maybe, or [[ogm]] as there’s [[Jerry&#8217;s Brain]])
  • [[stoa]]
    • oauth for hedgedoc?
    • I sometimes miss the simplicity of [[etherpad]] (also thinking of Microsoft Word / [[WYSIWYG]])
      • There was supposed to be a plugin (or fork?) of [[etherpad]] supporting [[wikilinks]] but I never found it.
• [[slugging]]
  • ‘Hello World!’ -> ‘hello-world’
  • s/[ !?^]+/-/g
  • [[Flancia meet]] is https://anagora.org/flancia-meet
  • I liked this a lot when starting, made things easier. The advantages are:
    • mapping between web apps
    • there is 1:1 mapping between Agora nodes and HedgeDoc, because HedgeDoc uses slugs
    • same with Jitsi Meet, flancia-meet works as well
  • Disadvantages are:
    • information loss, it is lossy by design
    • for example: [[free, fair and alive: the insurgent power of the commons]] -> [[free-fair-and-alive-the-insurgent-power-of-the-commons]]
  • Alternative: urlencoding
    • %20 and such
    • cons:
      • in a non latin script (like cyrillic)
    • pros:
      • https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3987 / IRIs
  • Alternative: remain with slugs for most URLs, but preserve full query information in a query parameter
    • /free-fair-and-alive?q="Free, Fair and Alive"
    • [[agora search]]
      • you want a GET method -> /search?q=what%20you%20want
      • redirects to the above
    • [[go/whatever you want here]]
      • -> anagora.org/whatever-you-want-here?q=whatever%20you%20want%20here
  • Are [[IRIs]] not working in browsers? they seem to mostly work nowadays?
  • input: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Заглавная_страница
  • output:
    • [[firefox]] https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0
    • [[chromium]] https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0
      • https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=405823 says they implemented IRIs
    • [[safari]], [[opera]] https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Заглавная_страница
  • [[IRIs]]: why are they not more widely supported?
  • urllib.parse.quote_plus(s):
    • https://docs.python.org/3/library/urllib.parse.html
    • ‘hello world’ -> ‘hello+world’
  • [[punycode]]
    • ü -> tda (transliterated as ue)
    • α -> mxa (alpha? alf?)
    • ‘To prevent hyphens in non-international domain names from triggering a Punycode decoding, the string xn— is prepended to Punycode sequences in internationalized domain names. This is called ACE (ASCII Compatible Encoding). Thus the domain name "bücher.tld" would be represented in ASCII as "xn—bcher-kva.tld"’.
• Syntax ambiguities:
  • @syntax
  • URLs
    • [[https://example.com/somewhere else]]
    • https://example.com/somewhere else
  • [[go/somewhere else]] same thing
  • with urlencoded canonical nodes, [[https://example.com/somewhere else]] -> [[https://example.com/somewhere else]]
  • https://anagora.org/https://example.com/somewhere-else <- broken lib
  • if we urlencoded, that would be: https://anagora.org/https%3A%2F%2Fexample.com%2Fsomewhere+else — which still doesn’t work, although I’m surprised about it
• [[x/y]] in [[mycorrhiza]] and [[agora]] behaves very differently
  • but it seems like we could easily make them compatible
• [[infinitely nested hyphae]]
  • a cool idea
    • filaments in [[mycelium]]
  • [[sibling hyphae]]
    • implemented in the sidebar
    • design mistake (maybe, in hindsight)
    • this encouraged a certain user behaviour, where top level hyphae are category-like
    • taxonomy / folksonomy
    • the platonic problem of ontology
    • [[banana]]: a [[tree]] and a [[fruit]]. where does it go?
    • This happens:
      • We have a hypha called ‘keyboard/microsoft ergonomic 4000’
      • Then we link it: [[keyboard/microsoft ergonomic 4000]]
      • We don’t like how it looks in the resulting text, so we change the displayed text:
      • [[microsoft ergonomic 4000]]
      • you mean: [[microsoft ergonomic 4000]]
      • you could say: [[microsoft ergonomic 4000]] ~ [[keyboard/microsoft ergonomic 4000]]
    • in the Agora you could write [[microsoft ergonomic 4000]] and because the node view is actually always a collection / search results list (in a way), you would get [[keyboard/microsoft ergonomic 4000]]
    • [[1]], [[2]], [[3]]
    • new model (talking about events that are 6 months old or so) in mycorrhiza is more graph like
• [[strugatsky brothers]]
• https://melanocarpa.lesarbr.es/hypha/quadrat_48
• https://github.com/bouncepaw/mycorrhiza/blob/master/static/shortcuts.js
• https://github.com/madrobby/zepto [[zepto]] is a drop-in replacement for [[jquery]]

#push [[flancia-meet-2022-09-09]]

• Attending: [[bouncepaw]] [[flancian]]
• Working on [[agora doc]]
  • 2 hours 20 minutes editing session
  • Thank you so much, Timur!

[[flancia meet 2022-09-02]]

• Didn’t happen, [[flancian]] was travelling.

[[flancia meet 2022-08-27]]

• Attending: [[flancian]], doing planning for the weekend and the upcoming trip.

#push [[flancia-meet-2022-08-20]]

• Attending: [[bouncepaw]] [[flancian]]
• [[flancian]]
  • Working on [[agora pkg chapter]] this weekend.
  • Missing working on other things though — like adding features to the [[agora]] and fixing bugs!
• [[bouncepaw]]
  • last weekend in hometown ([[ufa]]) in [[bashkortostan]]
  • going back to [[kazan]] in [[tatarstan]]
• [[jules verne]]
  • [[miguel strogoff]]
  • read as a kid
• [[paul theroux]]
  • account of a [[transsiberian]] trip
  • I can recommend Paul Theroux if you are interested in travelling
• [[bouncepaw]] been to [[moscow]], [[st petersburg]], and a few stans only
  • there’s a place where pagans still thrive
• [[melanocarpa]] (public) vs [[cyberrachel]] (private) קיבררחל
  • [[rakhil]] is cooler sounding — agree completely
• on the difference/transition between subnodes / hypha and articles
  • [[melanocarpa]] is meant to be coherent :)
  • [[cyberrachel]] is more bullet point based [[киберрахиль]] (kiberraxil)
  • [[optimistic linking]] comes natural to us
    • but too many red links can have downsides?
    • -> [[autolinking]] with [[weights]]?
  • how to decide where you start writing?
    • into [[cyberrachel]] :)
      • diary
      • people I know and don’t want to leak
      • opinions I don’t want to share
      • personal relationships
      • some things you should never publish
    • into [[melanocarpa]]
      • drawings I want to share
      • text I want to share
      • collections of links that someone would appreciate seeing
        • might depublish them
        • :(
        • the reasoning being that would like to have a higher average interestingness for random pages
    • [[flancian]] defaulting public/private
      • interested in these default policies
    • [[devine lu linvega]]‘s garden: https://wiki.xxiivv.com
    • [[weights]]
      • [[hyphae]] are categorized
        • [[hypha stages]]
    • [[lapin]] -> [[quadrat]]
      • [[lapin]] has an [[agora]] drawing
  • #push [[agora plan]]
    • [[interwiki links]] ~ [[interwiki for agora]]
    • #push [[mycomarkup]]
      • #git https://github.com/bouncepaw/mycomarkup
      • is a library in [[go]]
      • but also a binary :)
      • [[agora]] could run [[mycomarkup]] to render this
        • https://anagora.org/interwiki_for_agora as example
      • we already do something similar with [[pandoc]] and [[org mode]]
• [[national libraries]]
  • [[buenos aires]]
  • [[kazan]]
• [[multiple desks]]
  • multiple computers, multiple workspaces, etc.
• [[flancian]] news from the week
  • [[agora protocol]] progress
    • how to coalesce nodes / all conventions / is this part of the protocol?
      • [[bouncepaw]] [[bill seitz]] probably knows a lot about this
  • [[noosphere]] was announced in [[tools for thinking]]
  • [[st]] reached out about [[agora]] and [[edtech]]
    • [[bouncepaw]] similar thing happened in Germany, wikis were used a lot in education but then the project failed
    • nobody seemed to understand the benefit of wikis for education
    • [[hypothes.is]] usage in schools
      • [[jstor]] investment is new there
    • [[scihub]]
    • [[metasj]] is trying a social network approach
• [[sophomore]] year
  • [[sophomore slump]] exists (?)
  • [[scholarship]] as it related to motivation
  • [[bouncepaw]] wanted to be a programmer since he was 9
• new thing in [[russia]]
  • if you have an [[it diploma]] you can skip serving in the army
• [[agora pkg chapter]]
• [[time]] and [[scheduling]]
  • [[liminal days]]
    • nice framing

#push [[flancia-meet-2022-08-13]]

• Attending: [[flancian]]
• [[flancian]]
  • Working on [[agora pkg chapter]] this weekend.
  • Missing working on other things though — like adding features to the [[agora]] and fixing bugs!

#push [[flancia-meet-2022-08-06]]

• didn’t happen?
• [[flancian]] was travelling with family.

#push [[flancia-meet-2022-07-30]]

• didn’t happen?

#push [[flancia-meet-2022-07-23]]

• [[protopian]] [[flancian]]
• how was the week?
• [[flancian]]
  • friends were over last week
  • then met new people
• [[protopian]]
  • new job, trying to divert litigation to mediation
  • (about credit score)
  • [[london]]
    • summer 2011
    • [[flancian]] summer 2012
  • [[lisbon]]
    • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastel_de_nata
  • [[weddings]]
• [[reading]]
  • [[the dawn of everything]] (last time)
  • [[gödel, escher, bach]]
    • formal systems can be a bit much
    • interested in where it’s going to
    • [[daniel dennett]] is friends with [[hofstadter]]
    • [[i am a strange loop]] is supposed to be a "better introduction", updated
• [[writing]]
  • [[letters]]
    • [[flancian]] thought of writing to [[hofstadter]], [[dennett]]
    • [[recursivity]] of the [[self]]
    • [[video camera experiments]]
    • [[recursivity game]]
      • [[recursivity]] in social groups
        • [[tpot]]
    • #push [[republic of letters]]
      • [[protopian]] said [[visakanv]] mentioned this
      • [[interintellect]] [[salon]] at [[vibecamp]]: https://interintellect.com/salon/interintellect-vibecamp-materializing-the-new-republic-of-letters/
    • [[letters of note]]
    • [[open letters]]
      • motivated by [[reading alexander]] and [[christopher alexander]] dying recently
  • [[agora pkg chapter]]
• [[procrastination]]
  • [[social media]]
    • lack of tools to self-regulate our behaviour
    • [[protopian]] conflict of interested of companies and those of the users
      • [[tristan harris]]
        • [[center for humane technology]]
    • [[sugar problem]] [[saccharine problem]]
      • [[replacement therapy]]
      • intercepting dopamine loops for good / for our own processes?
    • misalignment between short and long term incentives
    • another example is fossil fuels vs renewables
    • market vs commons
      • especially [[tragedy of the commons]]
    • [[longtermism]]
      • [[long now]] foundation
    • [[paternalism]]
      • protection vs sovereignty
    • converting [[individual work]] into [[social work]]
      • one user flips notification settings to be more user friendly, their friends get the new defaults (or are notified of those?)
      • [[moderation]]
        • the [[fediverse]] really needs this?
        • [[fake news]]
    • open [[moderation]], open [[ranking]], enabled by network effects on top of [[interop]]
• question about the Agora
  • what connects to nodes?
  • say x = [[hofstadter]] and y = [[gödel, escher, bach]]
  • how to describe a type for their relationship?
  • -> [[hypergraph]]

#push [[flancia-meet-2022-07-16]]

• It seems it didn’t happen ([[flancian]] had friends visiting).

#push [[flancia-meet-2022-07-09]]

• [[protopian]] [[bouncepaw]] [[flancian]]
• [[bouncepaw]]
  • [[sleep schedule]]
  • [[drawing]]
  • [[x files]]
  • [[scripts]]
• [[flancian]]
  • questions:
    • digital art?
      • like it but do not prefer it
    • programmatic drawing, which language is good for digital art?
      • [[racket]]
      • [[uxn]]
    • [[dynamic subnodes]] generating art/animation is one idea
    • [[phil jones]] -> [[thoughtstorms]] might have something like this: http://thoughtstorms.info/view/HelloWorld
      • [[bill seitz]] [[twin pages]]
      • http://webseitz.fluxent.com/wiki/titlesearch?q=twinpages
    • [[federation]] protocol progress
      • not much :)
• [[us]]
  • [[homelessness]]
    • [[addiction management]]
    • [[housing first]]
  • [[flancia]]
    • [[protopian]] everybody’s basic needs should be met
    • [[portland]]
• [[religious]] positions?
  • [[agnostic]]
  • [[atheist]]
  • [[worldview]] multiplicity?
    • believing in [[god]] on [[sundays]]
    • [[photography]] as a metaphor here, lenses
  • [[ideologies]]
    • [[ontologies]]
      • [[ontoshift]] -> [[free, fair and alive]]
• [[protopian]]
  • [[readwise]]
    • does [[spaced repetition]] with it
• [[flancian]]
  • [[mind palace]]
    • like a creativity engine
    • number counting
    • [[numbers]]
    • [[meditation technique]]
    • [[braids]]
  • [[waking up]] by [[sam harris]]
    • [[medito]] is open source
    • [[making sense]] with [[sam harris]]
      • [[dan dennett]]
      • [[peter singer]]
      • [[william macaskill]]
  • [[bouncepaw]]
    • [[avatar the last airbender]]
      • should I watch it?
        • yes
        • it has traits of both american and asian cartoons
        • doesn’t have some of anime’s tropes
        • yes
        • also a sequel about his granddaughter, [[korra]]
  • [[shows]]
    • [[sci fi]]
      • [[expanse]]
      • [[severance]]
    • [[comedy]]
      • [[good place]]
      • [[broad city]]
      • [[peep show]]
      • [[seinfeld]]
      • [[ted lasso]]
• [[how many people are depressed]]
  • (w.r.t. [[severance]])
  • how many people are happy with their jobs?
  • [[in praise of idleness]] by [[bertrand russell]]
  • [[bullshit jobs]] pairs well likely
  • [[protopian]] just finished [[david graeber]]‘s latest [[the dawn of everything]]
    • also recently finished [[the pathless path]] (seems to have overlap with [[bullshit jobs]] and [[in praise of idleness]])
• [[drew devault]]
  • [[searchhut]]
• [[you.com]], [[search engine]]
  • https://seirdy.one/posts/2021/03/10/search-engines-with-own-indexes/ by [[Rohan Kumar]]
  • https://www.theverge.com/2021/11/9/22770614/you-salesforce-startup-search-engine-privacy-information-control
• [[working in public]]
  • [[flancian]]
    • [[agora pkg chapter]]
    • [[opt in writes]]
    • [[sign in]]
  • [[bouncepaw]]
    • going with the flow :)
    • sometimes streams working/learning
  • [[will]]
    • [[yoga festival]]
  • [[one year old todos]]
• [[twin pages]]
  • [[flux garden]] is paid
  • [[agora]]
  • [[sister pages]] is a different name
  • [[bouncepaw]] thinking about how to improve the user experience of sister pages
    • [[bound hyphae]]
      • like [[twin pages]] but not automatic
  • [[foaf]] ~ [[friend of a friend]]
  • [[tim berners lee]]
    • [[revolution]]
    • cos@timbl.com
  • [[agora protocol]]
    • is this confusing?
    • will try to make it less so :)

#push [[flancia-meet-2022-07-02]]

• attending: [[bouncepaw]] [[flancian]]
• background
  • [[west is dead]] print
  • [[esperanto]] flag
    • grammar of esperanto is easy, lexicon should also be easy
  • [[latino sine flexione]]
  • [[omniglot]] website
  • [[esperanto]]
    • issue of diacritics
      • the affected letters: ĉ, ĝ, ĥ, ĵ, ŝ and ŭ.
      • you can not write them, adding letter h (ch gh hh jx sj u (sic!))
      • or you can replace diacritics with x (cx gx hx jx sx ux)
  • [[interlingua]]
  • [[pandunia]]
    • http://www.pandunia.info/english/index.html
  • [[lidepla]] ~ [[lingwa de planeta]]
• [[chinese wikipedia]]
  • it’s blocked in [[china]] it seems
  • [[scots wikipedia]]
  • alternate history
• [[wikipedia]]
  • editing is getting harder
  • markup is relatively complex
  • [[wikimedia]]‘s role
• [[fellowship of the link]]
  • [[wikimedia]] and [[web annotations]]
    • feedback: annotations wouldn’t add too much for existing editors. average users won’t probably know what to do with them/what they are.
      • UX could be made not very intrusive? marginalia like.
  • [[wikimedia]] agora?
    • [[bouncepaw]] it could be good for the Agora but it could also change it
• [[index]] vs [[home]]
  • we both chose it quickly while developing :)
  • but [[home]] is the default for a lot of wiki engines
  • [[sources.yaml]] could specific which is the home page for a particular source
  • [[agora.yaml]]
    • [[bouncepaw]] this could be served in a well known URL (/.well-known/agora.yaml) for arbitrary sites, wikis, and other non git sources
    • https://anagora.org/yaml
• [[excalidraw]]
  • [[obsidian excalidraw]]

#push [[flancia-meet-2022-06-04]]

• attending: [[j0lms]] [[flancian]]
• [[j0lms]]
  • [[coffee]] in [[venezuela]]
  • [[venezuelan architecture]]
  • [[work search]] as it interacts with identity
  • how would our [[Wikipedia article]] look like? :)
    • [[lovecraft]] wrote more than [[10000 letters]]
  • "la conclusión lógica del individualismo es el marxismo"
  • [[marx]] sobre [[max stirner]]
    • [[individualism]] vs [[socialism]], a fake dichotomy?
    • [[anarcho capitalism]] vs [[anarcho socialism]], something to explore?
    • [[node club]] on [[utopian socialism]] and the above?
  • [[j0lms]] background
    • grew up with an anti-marxist skew due to family influences
    • first read [[marx]] as a kind of anti-bible (hiding), discovered something completely unexpected
• [[flancian]]
  • I am a bit self promotional
  • [[node club]] (as per the above)
    • [[utopian socialism]]
      • [[j0lms]] interesting! to explore: how does this fit into the controversy between [[anarchism]] and [[marxism]]
      • the notion of [[utopia]] is intertwined with the abolition of the [[state]] (we might not be able to abolish the state without going through utopian thinking)
      • [[flancian]]
        • [[murray bookchin]]
      • [[j0lms]]
        • [[laclau]] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernesto_Laclau
          • vs [[zizek]]
        • [[liberalism]] vs [[totalitarism]]
          • controversial argument:
            • 1. totalitarianism doesn’t exist
            • 2. if it existed, tech corporations would be the most successful totalitarian entities in the history of human kind.
        • #push [[santiago armesilla]] "los anarcocapitalistas son socialistas"
          • [[diego fusaro]] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v81ee6_I1Q
        • #push [[hugo chavez]]
          • [[norberto ceresole]], anti semitic
        • [[enrique krauze]]
        • [[phoenix wright]]
  • for this weekend:
    • [[add oauth]]
      • [[j0lms]] un poco de sesgo en contra de autenticación, que sólo fuera un link a git fue una atracción
      • [[flancian]] you are right, thank you! we need to finish the ‘add repository’ automatic flow first.
    • [[opt in writes]]
      • 1. write message to file per user (user == directory)
      • 2. async process keeps git repository in that directory up to date
      • 3. async process mirrors git repository to git.anagora.org
      • 4. [[gitea]] elsewhere (podman in hypatia) mirrors git.anagora.org
    • [[open letters]]
      • [[building bridges]]
      • [[an open letter to an agora]]

#push [[flancia-meet-2022-05-28]]

• attending: [[vera]] [[flancian]]
• [[vera]]
  • attended [[drum and bass]] show
• [[flancian]]
  • switched to [[wiki vim]]
  • starting therapy on Tuesday
• [[socialized healthcare]]
  • [[state of oregon]]
  • visiting [[portland]] around 24 - 27 June
  • before that in [[north carolina]] and [[seattle]]
  • [[vera]] used to live in [[south carolina]]
    • [[atlanta]] is pretty progressive
• [[soil]]
  • [[permaculture]]
  • [[carbon sequestration]]
  • [[rhizome]]
    • [[deleuze and guattari]]
      • [[trees]] and [[consciousness]]
      • videos of plants reacting to injury: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeLSyU_iI9o
    • [[santiago theory]]
      • [[autopoiesis]]
  • [[polis]]
    • [[federation]]
    • [[murray bookchin]]
    • [[flancia]]
    • [[astropolis]]
      • [[arcology]]

#push [[flancia-meet-2022-05-14]]

• attending: [[vera]] [[bouncepaw]] [[flancian]]

• [[vera]]

  • [[webcrate]] [[deta]]
    • https://webcrate.vera.deta.app/crate/public/KhOSRtXQSpwNwmrW
    • sort of like [[solid]], it’s an ecosystem but it feels empty for now
    • [[webcrate]] is an app in [[deta]]
    • a "[[cloud computer]]"
    • is it open source? yes, it seems: https://github.com/deta
    • [[berlin]] based
      • [[bouncepaw]] visited [[dresden]] once
      • [[flancian]] :) [[slaughterhouse five]]
        • [[john green]] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6g7S2W27Kc
        • Aliens, Time Travel, and Dresden - Slaughterhouse-Five Part 1
        • [[flancian]] made me think of [[susan bauer]]
  • [[bouncepaw]] asks: what is [[bluesky]]?
    • used to look like vaporware, but no longer
    • published an [[ecosystem review]]
    • now actually publishing code?
    • see [[adx]] below
  • [[krita]] [[gimp]] [[blender]] [[open source art
    • vera says: https://imgur.com/a/1RPoNUV
    • https://imgur.com/a/zUMI5Xg
    • examples of world class open source art programs
  • I want to checkout [[adx]]
    • https://github.com/bluesky-social/adx
      • https://github.com/bluesky-social/adx/pull/116
    • it has post edit functionality!!

• [[flancian]]

  • I am engaging more with [[social coop]], now an admin and got root
  • [[social coop tech group]]
  • plan to try [[immers space]] this weekend!
  • [[phone to note]]
  • connecting agoras
  • oauth for easy sign in

• [[bouncepaw]]

  • 40 rubles for bread
  • on the wiki approach to interconnection
    • [[interwiki]] links
    • [[mycorrhiza]] will extend this
    • been writing links with interwiki support for months :) will forward spec/examples
      • https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interwiki
      • Added later: [[interwiki for agora]]
  • met someone, a missionary, invited to join a group.
    • bought a book of his months ago
    • a translation of an english language book
    • dialogue between a [[bob]] and some [[guru]]
    • [[vera]] is it [[bahai]]?

#push [[flancia-meet-2022-05-07]]

• attending: [[vera]] [[bouncepaw]] [[j0lms]] [[flancian]]
• [[bouncepaw]]
  • back in hometown for holidays (1st May, 9th May)
  • living in the dorm in the uni
  • university experiences
    • the internet as a federation of universities in the beginning (plus darpa)
• if not the internet, an alternative would’ve conquered the world instead
  • [[xanadu]]?
    • [[xanagora]]
  • [[fidonet]]?
  • [[gopher]] -> [[gemini]]
• [[j0lms]]
  • made a decision not to pursue a degree
  • #push [[national open university]], distance learning
    • https://www.unipage.net/en/4706/national_open_university
  • the problem that they were trying to solve is already solved by the internet
  • [[math major]]
    • how to find an [[incentive structure]] to study hard subjects which require an academic environment or strong motivations
    • very good insight
  • #q what’s the downside with just continuing with the degree and finishing it?
  • #a the degree is just very long, and the university has taken a hit due to [[covid]]
  • [[flancian]] something between [[open university]] and [[world university]], or a self-assembled distributed [[study groups]]?
    • [[university of bayes]]
    • [[agora university]]
    • studied for 9 years three different subjects, got no degree though
  • [[bouncepaw]]
    • [[hermann hesse]]
      • [[the glass bead game]]
  • already have a bachelors in music (major in music, minor in composition)
    • that’s cool!
  • [[idea]]
    • teach people how to [[cheat]], in the sense of taking shortcuts/using new tools to unlock knowledge
    • e.g. someone who knows how to use [[wolfram alpha]], [[gpt-3]] would have a huge pragmatic advantage over most students taking the traditional way
    • [[cyborg approach]]
    • interesting approach, provocative pitch
  • looks like:
    • [[coordination problem]]
    • [[incentive problem]]
  • post academic ethos
    • what does it look to achieve a phd level of knowledge management (or operating knowledge) without the phd?
    • [[short story]] idea
    • [[bootstrap problem]]
  • [[flancian]] can we help with anything?
    • [[j0lms]] would like to look for a job, something more fulfilling, currently doing essentially [[mechanical turk]] level
      • would like to exploit the [[cognitive capital]] they have
    • part time work seems ideal
      • [[bouncepaw]] know a guy who works around five hours a week (!), that’s enough to live on and then work on personal projects
• what are we working on?
• [[bouncepaw]]
  • got a FR in March for an html attribute

  <body data-rrh-addr="/recent-changes">
  

  • added [[orphans]] feature: hyphae which have no backlinks
    • https://melanocarpa.lesarbr.es/orphans is an example
    • obsidian has this
  • [[flancian]] "six degrees of" would also be interesting
    • [[graphs]]
    • other interesting stuff: nodes in common between users; that in the nth degree
  • [[flancian]] how many [[mycorrhiza]] instances are there out there?
    • [[bouncepaw]] would estimate ~tens of instances
  • [[flancian]] any way to coordinate multi user edits, have a dialogue?
    • [[bouncepaw]] nothing built in; we might add [[page locks]] like in [[moinmoin]] times
  • [[javascript]] is kept minimal and optional in [[mycorrhiza]]
• [[vera]]
  • [[heisenbug]]
    • what if we uncached the render of the node and kept stuff that gets all subnodes on the system every time
    • https://github.com/flancian/agora-server/pull/57/files
  • [[sqlite]] caching
    • https://github.com/fuck-capitalism/agora-bridge/blob/main/sql-import/app.js
  • [[agora2]] experiment
• [[flancian]]
  • [[hashtags]] support
    • [[bouncepaw]] we should get [[sandra]] in here
  • [[shamanic agora]]
    • using [[podman]] / [[containers]] for this by default
    • [[bouncepaw]] have you looked into [[yunohost]]?
  • [[three node agora]]
  • [[building bridges]] [[blog post]]
  • [[social coop]]
  • perhaps I should set up to [[immers space]]
  • set up [[code onboarding]] session for next weekend
• [[j0lms]]
  • listened to a podcast related to pet project: [[music language]] [[identity thesis]]
  • a critique by [[bakhtin]] can be applied here
  • will write a [[blog post]] on this
• [[bouncepaw]]
  • very cool [[drawing]]!
• [[immers space]]

#push [[flancia-meet-2022-04-30]]

• attending: [[j0lms]] [[protopian]] [[vera]] [[flancia]]
• agenda follows (first few items, then we can freestyle)
• [[meta]]
  • [[jitsi]] UI
  • [[immers space]] — we could test next time
    • [[datatitian]]
    • [[non blockchain nfts]]
  • [[time]]
    • coordinating time
      • [[framadate]]
      • [[loomio]]
    • would 9am Pacific work for you for a second meet, maybe [[agora meet]]?
      • [[vera]] sounds good
      • [[protopian]] could work some days, but not often, but earlier on Saturdays would be better
      • [[j0lms]] that would be convenient on weekends but not weekdays
• [[vera]]
  • #push [[gun]]
    • [[gun eco]]
    • https://github.com/amark/gun
    • https://gun.eco/
    • [[faq]] https://gun.eco/docs/FAQ
  • [[agora2]]
    • two repos
  • [[prs]]
    • [[flancian]] will review them today, thank you!
  • #push [[collaboration commons]]
    • https://bin.snopyta.org/?b1816b0a2a0ac4d3#8NnwC2e1N4rmkbCYDuy7WVWUMarjrVhr18bdJFGrJVb8
    • interesting that they say to avoid [[politics]] — but also understandable
      • [[vera]] [[affinity groups]]
    • [[protopian]] they seem interested in solving coordination problems
• [[j0lms]] interested on opinions on this article: https://www.otherlife.co/pkm/
  • this reads antagonistic at once, but in the end it could be an argument for the agora
  • the tldr: [[pkm]] is a fad, actually has a great componet of [[status signaling]]
    • but the Agora hijacks this self-interested pursuit for a pro social goal
    • [[j0lms]] note that this aspect (towards collaboration) is what sold me on the agora
  • [[j0lms]] justin seems to think that intellectuals belong to a different class (paraphrasing)
    • #push [[justin murphy]]
      • is into [[urbit]]: https://www.otherlife.co/how-urbit-wins/
  • [[flancian]] unsure [[urbit]] is "worth it" overall, will read all this though!
  • [[flancian]] isn’t activitypub enough as a base for coordination/governance? to put it some way.
    • [[j0lms]] venezuelan diaspora in mastodon example
• [[flancian]]
  • [[pkm book]]
  • [[shamanic coders guild]]
    • run another instance of agora
    • [[agora discord bot]] or [[matrix bot]] plus bridge?
  • [[murray bookchin]]
    • inspired [[ocalan]]
  • [[podman]] / containers and new setup
• [[moa]]
  • [[flancian]] portable social graph
    • [[flanbook]]
• [[j0lms]] it would be nice to have a [[code walkthrough]] to onboard contributors to [[agora]] and [[moa]]
• [[elon]] buying twitter -> [[mastodon]] adoption uptick
  • [[bluesky]] is independent

#push [[flancia-meet-2022-04-16]]

• attending: [[j0lms]] [[protopian]] [[flancian]] :)
• [[flancian]]
  • away on holidays this upcoming week! in [[spain]] :)
• [[protopian]]
  • moving tomorrow, but nearby so not as stressful as it could be
  • #push [[shamanic coders guild]]
    • lots of potential overlap with [[flancia]]
    • would recommend checking it out!
    • there’s a [[discord lounge]], channels with 6-7 people in them
    • not lots of note taking yet but could happen?
    • links do get dumped in associated channels
  • #push [[vibecamp]]
    • was great, but maybe even better after the fact (stayed in [[austin]] for a bit with others)
    • [[5 people]] seemed to be about the sweet spot for conversations to really shine
    • vibes:
      • connecting with people
      • building connections
      • work comes after that, building on trust
    • [[interintellect salon]]
      • [[republic of letters]]
      • how to scale up groups, particularly online
      • [[flancian]] was turned off by [[interintellect]] early on but I should really reconsider, check it out again — thank you!
    • [[git]]
      • fixed garden import \o/
    • [[reading]]
      • #push [[visakanv]]
        • reading [[introspect]]
          • builds on the [[hero&#8217;s journey]]
      • [[how to read a book]]
      • #push [[impro]]
        • [[status]]
        • [[flancian]] loved it
      • [[to read list]]
        • [[flancian]] [[the republic]] probably goes well with [[the open society and its enemies]]
      • interested in [[the network state]] / [[how to start a country]] by [[balaji srinivasan]]
        • probably builds on top of [[how to start a new country]], the blog post from [[2019]]
      • Will/protopian says: https://discord.com/channels/903634676500017263/962930903619862548/963290301483585576
    • [[tweets from]] series
      • nice

#push [[flancia-meet-2022-04-02]]

• attending: [[flancian]] :)

#push [[flancia-meet-2022-03-19]]

• attending: [[bouncepaw]] [[flancian]]
• [[university]] in [[russia]]
  • can opt into [[midterms]] to get better scores (and of course more learning), depending on the teacher
  • [[scholarships]] require very good grades and are only very few
  • getting a scholarship after the beginning of the career is hard but it happens
  • a year of education in [[kazan federal university]] costs [[1400 EUR]]
  • [[10 EUR]]/month for dorm
  • [[350 EUR]]/month is a normal "regular worker" salary
  • [[1300 EUR]]/month would be a normal [[IT]] salary
  • four years bachelors
  • two years masters
• curiosity: would you work for a [[faang]] or a company in that tier?
  • [[flancian]] works in google
  • [[bouncepaw]] is unsure, but will likely to agree, if it comes to that
  • [[IT]] people are lucky
  • how to use our luck with high [[leverage]]
    • option: we could make our own companies
      • Flancia, Ltd.; Flancia Corporation
        • nah, it could be reasonable but not what we’re after :)
      • [[transjovian council]] by [[alex schroeder]]
        • https://transjovian.org:1965/page/Introduction
        • https://transjovian.org:1965/page/Bylaws
        • #push [[read]] bylaws
      • start a [[cooperative]]
        • start a [[collective]]
      • do [[altruism]]
      • write a [[book]] / collect and spread [[memes]]
      • start a [[religion]] / [[cult]]
        • [[sikhism]]
          • sikhs help people, and wear turbans that let others know who they are
            • wearing something/showing something to communicate values/goals seems like a good idea a priori
            • but it could lead to oppression. Everyone wears something specific, and someone does not, the latter is a freak
        • [[bahai]]
        • [[jainism]]
        • [[buddhist]] schools
      • start a [[club]]
        • see also [[geek code]], [[glider]] symbol
        • http://www.catb.org/hacker-emblem/ [[esr]]
        • [[mushroom cult]] symbol in username: 🍄
          • and/or [[wikilinks]] :)
        • [[bouncepaw]] likes organic metaphors, thought of [[silkworm club]] in 2021 because of silkworms producing silk, and [[silk]] feeling like a good metaphor for [[code]]
          • the club never happened as of [[2022-03-19]]
          • "what is the point of joining an open source club — the source is already open"
            • you could [[lampshade]] this concern and make it into the pitch for the club
            • https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LampshadeHanging
            • could help the community migrate off centralized tools like [[github]]? or at least mirror
• digital groups are a new kind of groups. Historically speaking, they are the newest+youngest, despite being ~50 yo.
  • [[counter anti disintermediation]]
• [[golang]] package names have repo urls in them
  • workaround with redirections hosted on own domain name?
    • a ‘centralized’ (but community owned) platform that offers redirects as a service might be helpful, make this
    • https://pkg.go.dev/robpike.io/ivy
  • does it serve an HTTP redirect or proxy?
  • https://stackoverflow.com/questions/42485328/git-url-mapping-to-custom-domain
  • http://blog.questionable.services/article/custom-import-urls-github-pages-jekyll/
• git push to all giteas
• [[twin pages]] by [[bill seitz]]
  • [[interwiki]]+[[webmentions]]
  • a lost thread with [[neil]]

#push [[flancia-meet-2022-03-12]]

• attending: [[j0lms]] [[neil]] [[flancian]]
• no notes this time!

#push [[flancia-meet-2022-03-05]]

• Welcome to March!
• attending: [[vera]] [[flancian]]
  • [[git rerere]]
    • smarter conflict resolution/merges?
• [[vera]]
  • got some code done on agora-ui -> gitea
    • \o/
  • Currently writing to gitea api from agora-ui
  • [[oauth tokens]] from signin flow not authenticating
    • using personal [[app tokens]] in the meantime
    • can be generated in https://git.anagora.org/user/settings/applications
  • added settings to settings page for app token and repo name since user -> repo relationship is one to many
    • refactoring settings page as well
  • editor supports creating new nodes
  • [[pr]] for fixing assets
    • merging now :)
• [[flancian]]
  • [[agora matrix bot]]
    • now writes, will probably stop working on it for a bit
    • [[maubot]] is cool but I haven’t figured out the debugging flow for bot plugins, it’s a bit hacky for now
  • bridges!
    • which ones can we develop/install/promote/run for others next?
      • [[telegram]]
      • [[peertube]]?
  • [[matrix]] alternative instances
    • #push [[fairydust]] https://fairydust.space is nice, used by [[vera]]
    • [[nomadic identity]] would be great
• [[therapy]]
  • [[flancian]] want to get an appointment with one to talk [[efd]] mainly
• [[war]]
  • [[vera]] was in [[tsunami response]] in [[indonesia]]
  • how to help?
• [[yoga]]
  • [[meditation practice]]
    • [[counting]]
    • [[factoring]]
    • [[program counter]]
    • [[lossy encoding]] / [[checksum]]
• [[checksums]] -> [[zooko wilcox]]
• [[john perry barlow]]

#push [[flancia-meet-2022-02-26]]

• attending [[vera]], [[flancian]]
• [[ukraine war]]
  • :(
• [[nazi harassment]] in the [[fediverse]]
  • :(
  • [[blocklist]] thread you might be interested in: https://social.coop/web/statuses/107784596903671329
  • [[idea]] could the [[agora]] or something like it help people agree on blocklists more dynamically, effectively, compassionately?
• New meeting time?
  • This one’s a keeper
  • Then for [[Pacific time]] it could be:
    • [[saturday afternoon]]
      • perhaps not great because it might interfere with personal life more often? but it could work
    • [[sunday afternoon]]
      • perhaps not great because it’s almost monday and that is a bit depressing sometimes? but it could be uplifting :)
    • [[wednesday afternoon]]
      • could be cool, in particular when [[flancian]] takes wednesdays off!
  • #push [[do]]
    • we could do a [[matrix poll]]?
    • and/or [[mastodon]]/[[twitter]]?
    • this reminds us of the idea about setting up a [[consolidated polling platform]] that ‘fans out’ to different platforms that support polling and ‘collects’ responses
• How does everyone like jitsi vs something else (not google meet)
  • [[big blue button]] would probably be top alternative: [[go/meet]] points to [[bbb]]
• how is [[zebras]] going?
  • [[portland chapter]] applied to a [[mentorship network]]
    • [[rick tarosi]] :)
      • a [[mondegreen]] of [[rick turoczy]]
• [[vera]]
  • didn’t get much done since last time; dealing with life
  • planning on making commit to [[agora-api]] to handle
    • git file change stuff
      • ostensibly this will accept a POST/PUT request to api with user/node/data combo and then write changes to disk and then create a git commit with those changes and push to gitea server using users logged in credentials
    • oauth integration
      • I don’t like the way that [[gitea]] handles oauth login from mastodon, you have to hard code each allowed host manually which I’m not a fan of. There are plenty of mastodon api apps that let you sign in via any mastodon server, I’m tempted to create our own oauth layer that talks to gitea behind the scenes
        • we could go back to last year’s plan w.r.t. using [[moa]] for this: [[go/moa/git]].
        • essentially add a [[git]] or [[gitea]] connector on top of twitter/mastodon
        • we could also open a ticket with gitea to ask about supporting arbitrary mastodon instances
    • adding text editor to agora website for logged in users
      • planning on using [[tinyMCE]] might use something else depending
      • this will talk to the code in agora-api that I mentioned above on submit
• [[flancian]]
  • same here! :)
  • my goal is to just go through the todo list I built last week :)
  • [[agora bot matrix]]
  • also [[fix gitea]] (certificate)
  • look into [[git lfs]]
  • #push [[sign in button]]
    • just add a sign in button :)
    • by default it redirects to a ‘non implemented yet’ page with a description :)
    • perhaps then it only lets you sign in with [[mastodon]], then we add others
  • look into [[moa]] auth code

#push [[flancia-meet-2022-02-19]]

• attending [[vera]], [[bouncepaw]], [[flancian]], [[will]], [[neil]]
• building on the [[stoa]]
• [[vera]]
  • [[git write flow]]
  • [[agora api]]
  • [[gitea oauth]]
  • we will commit to user repos if they are logged in
  • [[flancian]] happy to work on this with you if you need anything
  • [[flancian]] perhaps we could release the oauth sign in first?
  • once we have this, we could finally start dumping social data for users if they want it
  • you get your own personal data store
  • is [[logseq]] doing this?
    • they used to, but apparently this is now removed or at least not front and center
    • they may or may not use [[git]] for their planned hosting, actually we should check with them
• [[ranking]] in the agora
  • reddit-style upvoting?
  • action called uprank
    • e.g. #uprank [[@username]]
  • could do it in the stoa
  • stoa could be a log, like an action log
    • various actions could be available
    • works like a replay log
  • e.g. [[marx]] should autopull [[karl marx]]
    • could have a persistent pull button, so next time agora knows to pull it
  • e.g. like RT on Twitter started as a user text based action that twitter then codified?
  • stoa can provide a nice meta layer on top of people’s digital gardens
    • e.g. use pull in the stoa without having to use it in own garden
  • it would work on trust on people not gaming the stoa
    • trust based systems can be a good thing
    • e.g. look at problems of trustless blockchain projects
    • if instances are kept small, this is OK
• [[flancian]] has been thinking about [[browse as]]
  • related to concepts of [[liquid democracy]]
  • could be a way of ‘previewing’ what it might be like before delegating something to someone else
  • also relates to curation which is currently undervalued in social media
  • lets you burst out of [[filter bubble]]
• agora stoa is fully open…
  • moderation policy needed
  • anyone can edit stoa, what if e.g. end up with fascist subnode
  • difference between authentication and authorization
    • ‘authentication is boolean, authorization is a list of permissions’ — [[vera]]
  • could possibly have two stoas? one open to public, one more limited to agora users
  • [[semi-permeable membrane]] in reference to commons. some boundaries are OK (needed in fact) to not ruin a commons.
  • [[reddy2go]] said we need [[bouncers]] and [[buddhas]] in communities
    • bouncers repel violence
    • buddhas try to foster community
    • [[neil]] likes the model of federation in mastodon — you have a local timeline, and you can prioritize trusted instances you federate with — but there’s always the federated timeline, and also you have blocklists
      • e.g. poa.st and social.coop
      • [[blockchain]] was a [[common blocklist]] project but didn’t seem actively maintained
      • [[weirder earth]]
        • has a well maintained list but it seemed to have potential for false positives
      • [[will]] going back to [[browse as]], you could have the concept of adopting someone else’s blocklist to trial it/help debug
      • fascist vs shitposter
• building "consensus" and group decision-making
  • proposal and asking if anybody strongly disagrees
  • [[zebras]] are experimenting with ~five types of governance tools
  • consensus vs. consent
  • upranking as a case study
• [[agora bot]]
• [[upranking]]
  • if you uprank something in your garden, maybe that means ‘send it above me’
  • or you might be saying that these two subnodes are related
    • one is a comment or annotation of another?
    • push to subnode?
    • possible distinction between garden, stream, comment nodes
      • relates to agora.yaml
  • or perhaps it could be a star or a bookmark
  • relative ranking is important
  • [[neil]] liked how [[ctzn]] did it — you could apply any action to any resource
    • it could include emojis, but also arbitrary text comments that worked somewhat as [[tags]]
    • you could then perhaps choose to ‘show me this node ranked by this particular user-defined ranking’
  • [[neil]] takeaway: let’s go into the [[stoa]] and start adding relationships between subnodes
    • which actions, relationships, ranking of things will be converge on?
    • [[vera]] one thing we can do: write down which one we uprank/like and why
• [[metanode]] or [[supernode]]
  • a local graph of nodes/subnodes (where the link may not just be that they are defined by a shared title)
  • e.g. random/6
• compatibility with [[mycomarkup]]?
  • [[vera]] right now the parser is outputting pandoc ast
  • [[bouncepaw]] thinking of working on a spec
  • [[melanocarpa]] is the garden
  • add an API for checking hypha existence